• Pika@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    185·
    3 months ago

    For ID scans, Discord says that documents “are deleted quickly.”

    Just a few months ago they had a data leak which proved that they were indeed /not/ deleting documents and ID’s like they had been claiming.

    Granted in that case it was mostly countries that force keeping that data but, I’m sick of companies lying and saying “lol yea we defo delete the data after”

    • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
      46·
      3 months ago

      I won’t even give hard drives when recycling a computer, I pull and smash myself. Last set of old drives I cut in half with bolt cutters.

      • moonpiedumplings@programming.devEnglish
        62·
        3 months ago

        This is not truly foolproof. Data can still be recovered from the spinning metal platter since it can theoretically be removed and put into a recovery device, even in a broken state.

        Im addition to that, hard drives/ssd’s sometimes have small flash memory chips, from which data can sometimes be recovered.

        If you want it to actually be unrecoverable then you have to actually ensure all parts thay store data are truly deleted/wiped, which is more than just the core platter. Or just use encryption and throw away the key, since all data going through the tiny OS on these devices will be encrypted. Or just store them forever in a vault.

        • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
          13·
          3 months ago

          Bud, if put that platter back together after I snipped it, you deserve every bit of data you got off it, 1000%

          • moonpiedumplings@programming.devEnglish
            42·
            3 months ago

            It’s not that hard though. There are companies that offer data recovery as a service. If the value of the data on those drives exceeds the cost of those services then it becomes worth it to fish one of the drives out of the dumpster and take it there.

            • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              3 months ago

              This is a very specialized job, your acg joe is not going to do it. Also, in the many years I’ve been in IT, I’ve never even seen a video of a platter reconstructed and get data off it.

    • blazeknave@lemmy.worldEnglish
      35·
      3 months ago

      My friend is an exec there. After reading this thread bugged him to buy my software that would protect this vulnerability. They confirmed data/file never leaves the user’s device. Sounds pretty safe.

      • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
        12·
        3 months ago

        You do know that it’s bullshit? Unless they’re incredibly incompetent they’re lying to you. If the data never leaves the client then all the checks are client-side, which means it’s relatively easy (compared to a server side check) to bypass those checks.

    • Agrivar@lemmy.worldEnglish
      138·
      3 months ago

      Maybe this bullshit will be the spark needed to move us all off Discord. It’s fine for voice-chat in games, don’t get me wrong, but I HATE how its replaced forums/wikis for so many games/mods/etc. Searching disparate Discord servers is like looking for a nonferrous straw-colored needle in a haystack.

      • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        422·
        3 months ago

        Worse, it also makes it seem like developer support that is provided through Discord needs to be always on/always available since you can be pinged on Discord 24 hours a day. Why would you do that yourself, I don’t know. At least with forums you can choose to respond on your own time frame and people have less recourse to act like you should be around and available. It’s just asking for higher demand from the userbase since you’re chatting with them in real-time, they begin to expect real-time fast responses.

        • cheesybuddha@lemmy.worldEnglish
          72·
          3 months ago

          What’s wrong with good old fashioned data base backed message forums? There are so many implementations available, I’m sure many are FOSS, and I’m sure there’s managed solutions as well. It’s a mature, tested, rock solid reliable technology that has existed pretty much since the inception of the internet, and can be easily incorporated into other tools and workflows - because there is 40+ years of development work with the concept.

          Seriously, why?

          • Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.comEnglish
            10·
            3 months ago

            Forums are great for being forums. Real-time instant messaging, voice chat, video chat, and screen sharing are all a very different use-case. They’re two entirely separate products, and comparing them is apples and oranges. People are looking to replace Discord with Discord-like services, because forums don’t fucking do what Discord does.

            The big problem (and the reason everyone seems to compare the two) is that Discord started eating forums, as companies realized it was easier to create a Discord server instead of creating (and hosting, and maintaining) a support forum. And that’s a perfectly valid complaint. But that doesn’t mean forums are a valid replacement for forums.

            • Spaniard@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              3 months ago

              He is talking about forums because the main issue with discord is that it’s cut from the rest of the internet so nothing is indexed and a lot of platforms and services use discord like a forum (it isn’t).

              No one wants our conversations indexed, and discord shouldn’t be a forum.

            • cheesybuddha@lemmy.worldEnglish
              0·
              3 months ago

              It is not comparing apples to oranges, there are many companies that use Discord as a direct replacement for help forums or product wikis.

        • iamthetot@piefed.caEnglish
          51·
          3 months ago

          I mean, I share the complaint of Discord having tons of unindexable knowledge locked away in it, but forums are not good replacement for my friend group. So yeah we kinda want a Discord alternative specifically.

    • Tetsuo@jlai.luEnglish
      15·
      3 months ago

      Sure.

      But what are you replacing it with ?

      I tried Mumble and Teamspeak in the past and it’s pretty far from the same level of comfort.

      Don’t take that the wrong way though, I’m all for supporting open alternatives, I’m just saying you have to think about the features of the alternatives too.

      I just saw something about Stoat.chat which seems like a good open source software for that application but a lot of people will have to bear the cost of self hosting these servers.

      I know I will think carefully before slamming the door on discord.

        • Tetsuo@jlai.luEnglish
          151·
          3 months ago

          Well yes, I would say it’s very much an integral part of my social life.

          I spend a lot of time with my gamer friends and it revolves around our discord servers.

          We even have a discord servers dedicated to our role play sessions.

          IMHO Discord is a bit more than just a voice chat app. It’s also rooms with persistant chats. It’s the ability to share media etc.

          Also their noise reduction tech is top notch.

          I knew when I got in that it would be another “Gmail” for me. It’s great but you have to give a bit of your soul to it and I knew it would enshitify eventually.

            • Tetsuo@jlai.luEnglish
              3·
              3 months ago

              For context my country (France) is trying to pass a law that forbids the use of social networks to users younger than 15yo. So I suppose this move from Discord is partly due to that.

              Now that being said I would hope the verification process will have much more scrutiny in Europe than it would in the US.

              I would definitely not be happy about it but if they are not allowed to keep any of the verification data afterwards it could be “acceptable”. But if I have the feeling they keep any data I will actively look into building a Stoat instance and try the even harder task of convincing my friends to switch over.

          • Willoughby@piefed.worldEnglish
            2·
            3 months ago

            I see luck with “combos”

            XMPP + Mumble is a common one. The room is on XMPP, some users are in a mumble server with info in the topic.

            Matrix is buggy and doesn’t scale imo, it isn’t a sustainable alternative. Stoat looks like a great option and there are lots of open instances.

      • teawrecks@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        Were you trying Teamspeak 6? The UI is different, but the functionality is on par I believe. Not open source, but at least you can self-host.

        • Tetsuo@jlai.luEnglish
          2·
          3 months ago

          No. Recently I played a bit using a friends mumble server. And it’s a friend that is already privacy conscious. But these friends are not the norm. They are the exception.

          Interesting to see Teamspeak evolved but still you have to pay to host a server so that’s a huge difference.

        • Fushuan [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          2·
          3 months ago

          Have they finally released screen sharing in ts6? I gotta say that the development of that project is pretty comical. Radio silence with the only communication being the community manager shitting on discord every other day while giving no updates on their own product.

          Weird vibes.

          • teawrecks@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            I haven’t followed the development communication much, but yes, screen sharing works now. It wasn’t working on wayland like 8mo ago, but I tried again a month ago and it’s now working.

      • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        3 months ago

        I did start a projects aiming to be a more decentralized/federated discord more akin to how IRC was back in the day. Time to revisit it, it seems.

        • Tetsuo@jlai.luEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          A federation based discord would be amazing !

          But still that’s a big challenge as voice chat will be costly to host.

          Also out of curiosity do you aim for something that would connect through the fediverse ?

          • Fushuan [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            3·
            3 months ago

            Voice chat isn’t inherently costly to host, usually the server acts as a broker and then people connect P2P. Do you remember jitsi? It was used as an alternative to zoom during covid, it was a webpage like Google meet where you opened a room, and people joined with the link. Actually under the good the first one that joined the room acted as a host so all voice communications never reached jitsi’s servers.

            Jitsi still exists btw, although I understand that a more integrated solution like matrix is preferable. Matrix IS the federated discord-like solution, although last time I read about it it had some issues with scalability and the typical foss Dev drama.

          • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            3 months ago

            Didn’t have much of an aim beyond trying to cook it up from scratch as a personal research project. That includes the protocol, since I’m handling keys in a creative way to facilitate both encryption and user “authentication”.

      • Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        I’ll swap to a shared calendar and any other voice chat software. Sure I can’t post on those but that’s why we also have a group chat for the different gaming groups I’m in.

  • cheesybuddha@lemmy.worldEnglish
    109·
    3 months ago

    I’m actually pretty happy that Discord is killing itself. Far too many people use it as an official platform for stuff like help forums.

    Maybe lets go back to basic message boards that are actually searchable, etc.

    • nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.caEnglish
      14·
      3 months ago

      Self-hosted options like Mumble also exist.

      Self-hosted is a pain to get started with but as everything enshittifies if will only get more important.

      • dev_null@lemmy.mlEnglish
        12·
        3 months ago

        As someone who doesn’t use the voice chat feature of Discord, I am always confused when people suggest things like Mumble as an alternative.

    • I_Jedi@lemmy.todayEnglish
      2·
      3 months ago

      Well there is that one nsfw forum that is VERY active. Said forum also provides a list of file hosters that have escaped enshittification.

      Those guys pirate the shit out of Japanese games but official nsfw game developers sometimes go there to advertise.

  • TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    97·
    3 months ago

    I would barely be okay with a bank or government website asking for this information, I sure as shit would not give it to a fucking chat app.

  • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    651·
    3 months ago

    If the pushback on social media doesn’t get Discord to drop these plans, then I’ll just have to delete the app.

    Not caving to another app asking for Personally Identifiable Information (PII) only for this same data to be leaked months to years later.

    Society will do everything to protect children aside from making better parents.

    • korazail@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
      31·
      3 months ago

      The parenting aspect is a red herring. Nothing about these policies is really to ‘protect the children’. The big tech groups have figured out that they can gate-keep … everything… and require your pii/data to get to it; and that many/most people will give up that data to keep access to their content.

      That said, teaching your children about the importance of privacy is becoming as important as teaching them about other harmful online content. “Don’t trust a Nigerian prince, let me know if you’re being bullied, don’t watch porn* and don’t scan your face to get on discord”

      * until you’re 18-ish, at which point go nuts, just know it’s all fake.

    • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      3 months ago

      I am also leaving discord, I hated it but used it to connect to family members only. I will find other ways.

      This is the same exact cycle I went through with social media, which I also left entirely. I stopped browsing a lot of sites I used to, I took most of my personal info off the internet, and ended a lot of subscriptions.

      The internet lately is feeling more and more like making end-of-life plans.

    • TheKracken@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      3 months ago

      Because parenting is hard and they don’t need the working masses distracted by kids, they need them slaving away forever.

      • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        The obvious solution is architecting society such that parents have more time to parent while making enough to pay the bills, rather than exporting parenting because they can’t afford to miss work due to parenting.

        You start having enough of these conversations, and it all eventually points back to capitalism and taxing the rich.

    • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      3 months ago

      But… But… They pinky promise it’s all secure, and that they won’t hold any of your data! You can’t trust a pinky promise? You monster!

  • Cris16228@lemmy.todayEnglish
    571·
    3 months ago

    Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t they got a massive leak for gov IDs last year? And they still pushing this bs?! Hello?

        • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          I’m sure they’re very sowwy and have learned their lesson and your face and ID and personal, private browsing habits will be perfectly secure, and even the AI bot that will “monitor your habits to decide your implicit age” will be very quiet with all your sensitive personal details and not give it to anyone even if they ask very nicely for it.

  • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
    42·
    3 months ago

    Anyone remember xFire? It was better 15 years ago than Discord ever was or will be.

    …damn I miss that shit. They were litigated out of existence by a frivolous lawsuit from Yahoo. This is why we can’t have nice things.

  • excral@feddit.orgEnglish
    361·
    3 months ago

    My discord account is about 10 years old. Do they assume I created it as a 6 year old? Account age alone should be enough to verify I’m an adult with reasonable certainty.

    • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      3 months ago

      They will have some kind of nebulously described “thing” that will monitor your browsing and chatting habits on discord and use that to decide your “implicit age” and I wish any of that was a joke or rumor.

      They won’t just ask for your face and ID, they are also admitting that AI or something is going to be literally watching you at all times to “determine your age.”

      Tell me again how we’re protecting kids? Where them Epstein prosecutions at? We save any kids yet? How about now?

    • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      3 months ago

      Legally, they can’t be sure you didn’t sell the account, even if the email address is the same.

      Not defending the policy here, it’s bullshit. But I’m simply pointing out that they have excuses to beat any logic you throw at them. Logic has nothing to do with it, so it can’t be beaten by logic either.

      • Anas@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        3 months ago

        Selling accounts is against the TOS, surely they can’t be liable if that’s the case.

    • python@lemmy.worldEnglish
      101·
      3 months ago

      Well no, what if you have a Benjamin Button situation going on and will be too young to use Discord in a year or two?They gotta cover all their bases.

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      7·
      3 months ago

      Naw, they assume they can tie all your conversations to some nexus realid and sell all your groups, likes, and dislikes for cash.

    • WraithGear@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      3 months ago

      already making plans with my battle group t move to team speak 6, which is only an option because they now have screen sharing

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          3 months ago

          Or just get bought out. Discord was supposed to be the answer to Twitch getting gobbled up. Then Microsoft gobbled Discord.

          Does anyone seriously believe there’s an indie third party social media site immune to a multi-million (possibly even billion) dollar buyout offer? One that won’t go the way of TikTok and be legislatively forced into sale?

          • WraithGear@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            3 months ago

            i mean… i will pay the license for it, AND i have to self host it, so they have a monetary scheme that will delay the need for sensitization. but it’s 5$ or something, and reportedly has better audio quality, faster transfer rates, and lower overhead then discord. and because i am hosting it, i will have complete control over it and its white list

          • thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            Does anyone seriously believe there’s an indie third party social media site immune to a multi-million (possibly even billion) dollar buyout offer? One that won’t go the way of TikTok and be legislatively forced into sale?

            federated platforms

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              3 months ago

              Federation is easy. BlueSky is federated, ffs. You think Jack Dorsey would be shy about selling his Twitter knock-off a second time?

        • WraithGear@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          3 months ago

          yea, but with the video streaming team speak seems better equipped for gameing, at the cooler of the federated capability of martix, but i am not sure what these benefits would be

    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.todayEnglish
      27·
      3 months ago

      Yep, straight to Palantir.

      In 10 years, when MAGA has everything locked down, and you complain about something online, they’ll put out a BOLO, and instantly, the entire network will start checking every camera for your face, and within a few minutes they will have a timeline on your movements for as far back as they want, including every time you enter or leave your house. If you aren’t in your house, they’ll find you out there somewhere, and immediately dispatch ICE Apes to find you, detain you, and send you to the nearest work camp, where you will be leased out as a slave to some corporation.

  • Knot@lemmy.zipEnglish
    31·
    3 months ago

    Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult

    from the official release.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    29·
    3 months ago

    Wow I guess I get to finally dump Discord as my last proprietary chat app.

    There are lots of self hosted alternatives like Mattermost, Mumble, and Matrix (decentralized).

    There’s also the new Freenet River demo: https://freenet.org/quickstart/

    Maybe I’ll make my own discord clone lol.

  • merdaverse@lemmy.zipEnglish
    28·
    3 months ago

    This is great news! Discord shooting itself in the foot is a net positive for the whole world.