According to a receipt and several email exchanges buried within the millions of files released on January 30, Epstein had six 55-gallon drums of the chemical delivered to Little St. James (LSJ).
Ok. But how much? It’s just used for that doesn’t tell me if that’s a normal amount for reverse osmosis or if it’s triple the amount of a normal scenario.
I kind of consider that to be plausible. 330 gallons sounds like a lot but it’s only 6 barrels and there’s way more effective ways to get rid of bodies (which I think is the implication).
Also, justice isn’t being achieved, not because of lack of evidence here, but because disgusting crimes are being covered up, and disgusting people being protected. I’m ok focusing on “why aren’t any men in jail for this right now?”
What’s funny is the UK? wants someone to step down cause they hired someone on the list. They fired him a year ago but they still want him to step down. Well US is like whatever. Who cares.
I’ve been boggled by American inaction in this and I wonder if it’s because there’s no recall function in our system? Maybe folks are just waiting for the midterms, but we aren’t seeing civil consequences (firings, boycotts, etc) either.
It genuinely seems like there’s something uniquely American about the lack of consequences here
I mean it’s pretty clear why: Trump’s name appeared more than a million times in the unredacted Epstein files according to Rep. Jamie Raskin
The highest office in the country benefits from the inaction.
I know it’s not really the same thing in the UK, but even within the royal family and public opinion, if it had been Charles instead of Andrew, do you think he would willingly be giving up his royal title and everything that goes with it, even if other members of the family were pressuring him?
Definitely, but there should be systems in place like impeachment, no confidence votes, etc. in the US, Congress can impeach a president and remove them, but if they don’t do so, we-the-people don’t have legal recourse for removing members of Congress in the middle of their terms.
A lot of the advice angry Americans are getting right now is “just vote them out in the midterms”. This feels woefully insufficient
We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them.
We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there.
Thats my take.
Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion.
The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly… It wouldnt be the first time…
The presence of an IBC tote would imply the presence of some equipment necessary to move it (at least a pallet jack, possibly a forklift).
However, the inverse does not follow: absence of a tote does not imply the absence of the equipment needed to move one. The presence or absence of the equipment is logically independent of the absence of the equipment (even though it would be be implied by the presence of the equipment).
This is called denying the antecedent. In symbolic terms:
Which is ~3.5 foot-bathtubs or 7 MFM…Mega-Foot-Mugs or 35panda-feet or 35 pizza ft ~65watermelons per apple feet. I asked Mr Chat for these actual units, so likely to be all wrong. Things were looking credible until pizza ft. Darn!
Yea seems a lot easier to just take a body out to sea and drop it. They won’t even know where it ends up between the depth and the currents. I doubt a body would even last that long on the sea bed.
I think it’d be a shit way to get rid of bodies unless maybe if it was just bones. Fat and soft tissue would probably need a strong base like sodium hydroxide to break down - which is why it’s used for making soap
If anyone wants to see this in action, one of the Mythbusters Breaking Bad specials test out the bathtub dissolving thing from season 1. In the show they use hydrofluoric acid, but that doesn’t work and they move to harder stuff. They don’t actually say it’s piranha solution, cause Discovery probably wouldn’t wanna let them teach people how to get rid of bodies, but they say sulfuric acid and something else “with a lot of oxygen” wink wink
It may not be for dissolving bodies. But since the timing is suspect and indicative of some coverup, I would guess probably destroying trace DNA evidences.
It’s also, like not even that much for this kind of janitorial purpose. To add to that, while it sounds insidious, sulphuric acid isn’t the nefarious thing it sounds like.
Pretty much everything can become quite potent when mixed with other things. There are so many better ways to dispose of bodies than having acid delivered to an island.
I think that would very much depend on the size of the system. If you’re processing a gallon of water a day that’s probably true, but if you’re doing like 60 gallons a day probably not so much. It sounds like he had a reverse osmosis plant in the island that likely supplied all the water in the island so probably even for things like showers and maybe even swimming pools (I assume he had a swimming pool, it sounds right for a rich douchebag like him).
Might depend on the source water. The article mentions it’s used for water softening so if you’re starting with water that has low mineral content maybe it’s an unnecessary step.
The records seem to indicate it was used as part of the island’s reverse osmosis water treatment system. There I saved you a click.
Ok. But how much? It’s just used for that doesn’t tell me if that’s a normal amount for reverse osmosis or if it’s triple the amount of a normal scenario.
It would depend on how much water they treated.
I kind of consider that to be plausible. 330 gallons sounds like a lot but it’s only 6 barrels and there’s way more effective ways to get rid of bodies (which I think is the implication). Also, justice isn’t being achieved, not because of lack of evidence here, but because disgusting crimes are being covered up, and disgusting people being protected. I’m ok focusing on “why aren’t any men in jail for this right now?”
What’s funny is the UK? wants someone to step down cause they hired someone on the list. They fired him a year ago but they still want him to step down. Well US is like whatever. Who cares.
I’ve been boggled by American inaction in this and I wonder if it’s because there’s no recall function in our system? Maybe folks are just waiting for the midterms, but we aren’t seeing civil consequences (firings, boycotts, etc) either. It genuinely seems like there’s something uniquely American about the lack of consequences here
I mean it’s pretty clear why: Trump’s name appeared more than a million times in the unredacted Epstein files according to Rep. Jamie Raskin
The highest office in the country benefits from the inaction.
I know it’s not really the same thing in the UK, but even within the royal family and public opinion, if it had been Charles instead of Andrew, do you think he would willingly be giving up his royal title and everything that goes with it, even if other members of the family were pressuring him?
Definitely, but there should be systems in place like impeachment, no confidence votes, etc. in the US, Congress can impeach a president and remove them, but if they don’t do so, we-the-people don’t have legal recourse for removing members of Congress in the middle of their terms. A lot of the advice angry Americans are getting right now is “just vote them out in the midterms”. This feels woefully insufficient
Also you’d buy in bulk because the cost of delivery is probably the same.
We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them. We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there. Thats my take.
That is probably the point
I don’t disagree at all. The process we’re forced to go through because we seem to be the only ones that care is maddening
Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion. The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly… It wouldnt be the first time…
The volume is a tote, aka an IBC container
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container
Super common and readily available for both legitimate and/or illegal purposes.
Document specifically states 6 55-gal drums.
Must not have a forklift on the island in that case
are you telling me epstein couldn’t labor traffic one forklift certified worker
Non sequitir.
The presence of an IBC tote would imply the presence of some equipment necessary to move it (at least a pallet jack, possibly a forklift).
However, the inverse does not follow: absence of a tote does not imply the absence of the equipment needed to move one. The presence or absence of the equipment is logically independent of the absence of the equipment (even though it would be be implied by the presence of the equipment).
This is called denying the antecedent. In symbolic terms:
Conditional: p → q Inverse: ¬p → ¬q
(p → q) → (¬p → ¬q) is False.
Also, forklift attachments exist specifically for grabbing and moving barrels around. One of them is called a parrot beak.
Couldve also used a barrel dolly. Frankly I don’t really care if Jeffrey Epstein was forklift certified.
2+2=5
It sure seems like it sometimes 🤣
Didn’t realize there were tall ibc totes, I thought they were all 1000L/265gal
Which is ~3.5 foot-bathtubs or 7 MFM…Mega-Foot-Mugs or 35panda-feet or 35 pizza ft ~65watermelons per apple feet. I asked Mr Chat for these actual units, so likely to be all wrong. Things were looking credible until pizza ft. Darn!
Yea seems a lot easier to just take a body out to sea and drop it. They won’t even know where it ends up between the depth and the currents. I doubt a body would even last that long on the sea bed.
Yeah, but you would need some kinda trap door that leads directly to the ocean for that in your own house.
Or, you know, a boat.
I never said the body had to be in one piece. For all we know Jeffrey could have been an avid fisherman.
Or really small, like child size.
I think it’d be a shit way to get rid of bodies unless maybe if it was just bones. Fat and soft tissue would probably need a strong base like sodium hydroxide to break down - which is why it’s used for making soap
Nitric acid would be better. But apparently sulfuric acid and highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide works well. Look up piranha solution.
But on an island, I would think a large barrel, concrete, and some very deep water would be sufficient.
If anyone wants to see this in action, one of the Mythbusters Breaking Bad specials test out the bathtub dissolving thing from season 1. In the show they use hydrofluoric acid, but that doesn’t work and they move to harder stuff. They don’t actually say it’s piranha solution, cause Discovery probably wouldn’t wanna let them teach people how to get rid of bodies, but they say sulfuric acid and something else “with a lot of oxygen” wink wink
If there was a massive order for hydrogen peroxide I’d believe piranha solution was used for these purposes
trace DNA evidences?
I wonder how much dna would be left after a lye then acid bath
The plausibly only makes it well hidden, if it wasn’t used for that.
It may not be for dissolving bodies. But since the timing is suspect and indicative of some coverup, I would guess probably destroying trace DNA evidences.
It’s also, like not even that much for this kind of janitorial purpose. To add to that, while it sounds insidious, sulphuric acid isn’t the nefarious thing it sounds like.
My first thought went to scrubbing things like iron and calcium stains.
Do you mind if your second thought goes to scrubbing my dishes? I’ll pay it in b12 or whatever brains like
Some people said when it’s mixed with other things it becomes quite potent. I’m not gonna Google it.
Pretty much everything can become quite potent when mixed with other things. There are so many better ways to dispose of bodies than having acid delivered to an island.
It makes chlorine gas when mixed with bleach.
Point is buying something for your pool in bulk isn’t really a red flag, especially on an island that doesn’t have a pool supply store.
I’m certainly not trying to defend Epstein or anything, but this isn’t the worrysome thing.
As in mix to make something nefarious. To dissolve things.
And if you wanted to do something nefarious, you’d try to hide it as something that can be explained away. You know, as pool supplies.
You’re grasping at straws.
You’re right criminals would never think to hide their activities. That’s crazy talk. Now let’s talk about that weirdly profitable car wash.
What other proof do you have that they were dissolving bodies? Because that’s the implication in the “scariness” of sulfuric acid, right?
Great cover story. At this point, no conspiracy theory is crazy enough to not be true.
I heard someone say on a podcast that 330 gallons would last about 15 years. I haven’t fact checked that and AI wouldn’t touch it, lol.
I think that would very much depend on the size of the system. If you’re processing a gallon of water a day that’s probably true, but if you’re doing like 60 gallons a day probably not so much. It sounds like he had a reverse osmosis plant in the island that likely supplied all the water in the island so probably even for things like showers and maybe even swimming pools (I assume he had a swimming pool, it sounds right for a rich douchebag like him).
My RO doesn’t have any chemical consumables… Any idea why?
It prevents calcium carbonate buildup on the RO membrane. The acid is added to the incoming sea water to keep it slightly acidic.
Might depend on the source water. The article mentions it’s used for water softening so if you’re starting with water that has low mineral content maybe it’s an unnecessary step.
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