The revelation about the sulphuric acid sparked wild speculation on social media as to what Epstein needed it for, including to ‘destroy evidence or even human remains’ - despite there being no evidence of criminal use.
I think you may be confusing “wild speculation” with reason.
What would be the other conclusion you draw when you hear a sex trafficking pedophile who murdered and tortured his victims, ordered multiple drums of sulphuric acid to be delivered to his private island the same day a federal investigation was announced?
Sulphuric acid is not particularly good at dissolving bodies. It’s hard to believe that a bunch of billionaires on a private island with bodies to dispose of would chose that as a method.
Agree that Epstein was clearly murdered.
Hydrochloric acid may have been a better choice, but some interesting studies have found sulfuric acid is second most effective.
Postmortem tissue alterations induced by corrosive substances – a scoping review
Another study on human tissues dates back to 2011, where a group of researchers in America, represented by Hartnett, Fulginiti and di Monica28 examined the effect of household substances on five types of human tissues, namely bones, teeth, hair, nails, and skin/muscle/adipose tissue. However, the specific number of analyzed samples is not specified. The study involved the use of seven different substances including: hydrochloric acid (31.45 %), sulfuric acid (95–98 %), caustic soda (100 %), bleach (5.25 % sodium hypoclorite), organic cleaning substance (bacteria and enzymes – no concentration available), Coca-Cola (unknown concentration of phosphoric acid) and water (as a control). The duration of the study ranged from a few hours to 30 days for the submerged group. The authors assessed the macroscopic appearance and samples weight and concluded that hydrochloric acid was the most destructive agent, with tissue destruction occurring in less than 24 h. Sulfuric acid followed as the next most destructive substance. No notable changes were observed in tissues submerged in water or organic cleaning solution
I’ve actually had a bit splash in my face while working in a lab. Luckily I was wearing safety goggles, but the tiny bit that did contact my cheek was quite painful and immediately did some damage. It doesn’t seem inconceivable that they would attempt to dispose of evidence by sealing it in barrels of acid, including human remains that may have already been in the process of decomposing. It also doesn’t mean it was the only thing used to conceal evidence. Definitely don’t believe these people have done much to earn the benefit of the doubt.
It’s hard to believe that a bunch of billionaires on a private island with bodies to dispose of would chose that as a method.
I would say it’s harder to believe a sex trafficking pedophile island run by a bunch of billionaires to serve the world’s elite, ever existed in the first place, or that it continued operating for as long as it did while victims of trafficking were flown in to be tortured and as some witnesses have claimed, murdered. And yet…
If a scientist famously attempted to do it, not sure why you would think these people wouldn’t?
Larissa Schuster, also known as “the acid lady”, utilized her knowledge as a biochemist and access to professional laboratory substances to dissolve her husband’s corpse in hydrochloric acid (HCl) and sulfuric acid “The People V. Larissa Schuster.
username fits
Why’s that?
red herring minute. where’s the other cameras?
They raped and killed. Now we are all out of rape and time to _____ the guilty
Just add salt peter acid and charcoal acid and BOOM! /s
“salt peter acid” ???
Probably translation mistake. Nitric acid is called after saltpeter in a lot of languages
I seem to recall from my childhood, back when kids made stuff go boom and nobody was afraid of terrorism yet, that sulphuric acid can be used to make nitroglycerine.
You’d need Nitric acid too, iirc.
I can’t recall whether we had ntric acid, but we definitely had hydrochloric acid and glycerine. I guess a recipe is a nice touch too… We had it all. Don’t anymore, am responsibly adulting now. But I can tell you that sulfuric acid makes an orange cloud when poured on chicken shit, and that your mom isn’t pleased when said cloud moves through the drying laundry. Still, far from the craziest thing I did before puberty.
Sulphuric acid does not dissolve humans.
I’ve never used sulfuric acid on flesh, but I can tell you that it works wonders on both plants and chicken shit.
Be easier to just toss the bodies in the ocean, the acid is for pools
Yeah, I was skimming the article. Only saw mention of it being used for the pool. Then just general information we already know about the island.
Yes it does
It’s also used in desalinization. A technology that’s pretty useful when you’re on an island surrounded salt water
Yep and far more likely the reason for the order.
What was the point of the video?
It was probably tied to the article. The video is meant to show potentially doctored footage of another inmate walking into Epsteins jail sector the same night and time of his death, but the jail record claimed no one else being in the sector at his time of death.
The records seem to indicate it was used as part of the island’s reverse osmosis water treatment system. There I saved you a click.
Ok. But how much? It’s just used for that doesn’t tell me if that’s a normal amount for reverse osmosis or if it’s triple the amount of a normal scenario.
It would depend on how much water they treated.
I kind of consider that to be plausible. 330 gallons sounds like a lot but it’s only 6 barrels and there’s way more effective ways to get rid of bodies (which I think is the implication). Also, justice isn’t being achieved, not because of lack of evidence here, but because disgusting crimes are being covered up, and disgusting people being protected. I’m ok focusing on “why aren’t any men in jail for this right now?”
What’s funny is the UK? wants someone to step down cause they hired someone on the list. They fired him a year ago but they still want him to step down. Well US is like whatever. Who cares.
I’ve been boggled by American inaction in this and I wonder if it’s because there’s no recall function in our system? Maybe folks are just waiting for the midterms, but we aren’t seeing civil consequences (firings, boycotts, etc) either. It genuinely seems like there’s something uniquely American about the lack of consequences here
I’ve been boggled by American inaction
I mean it’s pretty clear why: Trump’s name appeared more than a million times in the unredacted Epstein files according to Rep. Jamie Raskin
The highest office in the country benefits from the inaction.
I know it’s not really the same thing in the UK, but even within the royal family and public opinion, if it had been Charles instead of Andrew, do you think he would willingly be giving up his royal title and everything that goes with it, even if other members of the family were pressuring him?
Definitely, but there should be systems in place like impeachment, no confidence votes, etc. in the US, Congress can impeach a president and remove them, but if they don’t do so, we-the-people don’t have legal recourse for removing members of Congress in the middle of their terms. A lot of the advice angry Americans are getting right now is “just vote them out in the midterms”. This feels woefully insufficient
Also you’d buy in bulk because the cost of delivery is probably the same.
We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them. We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there. Thats my take.
That is probably the point
I don’t disagree at all. The process we’re forced to go through because we seem to be the only ones that care is maddening
Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion. The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly… It wouldnt be the first time…
The volume is a tote, aka an IBC container
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container
Super common and readily available for both legitimate and/or illegal purposes.
Document specifically states 6 55-gal drums.
Must not have a forklift on the island in that case
are you telling me epstein couldn’t labor traffic one forklift certified worker
Non sequitir.
The presence of an IBC tote would imply the presence of some equipment necessary to move it (at least a pallet jack, possibly a forklift).
However, the inverse does not follow: absence of a tote does not imply the absence of the equipment needed to move one. The presence or absence of the equipment is logically independent of the absence of the equipment (even though it would be be implied by the presence of the equipment).
This is called denying the antecedent. In symbolic terms:
Conditional: p → q Inverse: ¬p → ¬q
(p → q) → (¬p → ¬q) is False.
Also, forklift attachments exist specifically for grabbing and moving barrels around. One of them is called a parrot beak.
Couldve also used a barrel dolly. Frankly I don’t really care if Jeffrey Epstein was forklift certified.
2+2=5
It sure seems like it sometimes 🤣
Didn’t realize there were tall ibc totes, I thought they were all 1000L/265gal
Which is ~3.5 foot-bathtubs or 7 MFM…Mega-Foot-Mugs or 35panda-feet or 35 pizza ft ~65watermelons per apple feet. I asked Mr Chat for these actual units, so likely to be all wrong. Things were looking credible until pizza ft. Darn!
Yea seems a lot easier to just take a body out to sea and drop it. They won’t even know where it ends up between the depth and the currents. I doubt a body would even last that long on the sea bed.
Yeah, but you would need some kinda trap door that leads directly to the ocean for that in your own house.
Or, you know, a boat.
I never said the body had to be in one piece. For all we know Jeffrey could have been an avid fisherman.
Or really small, like child size.
I think it’d be a shit way to get rid of bodies unless maybe if it was just bones. Fat and soft tissue would probably need a strong base like sodium hydroxide to break down - which is why it’s used for making soap
Nitric acid would be better. But apparently sulfuric acid and highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide works well. Look up piranha solution.
But on an island, I would think a large barrel, concrete, and some very deep water would be sufficient.
If anyone wants to see this in action, one of the Mythbusters Breaking Bad specials test out the bathtub dissolving thing from season 1. In the show they use hydrofluoric acid, but that doesn’t work and they move to harder stuff. They don’t actually say it’s piranha solution, cause Discovery probably wouldn’t wanna let them teach people how to get rid of bodies, but they say sulfuric acid and something else “with a lot of oxygen” wink wink
If there was a massive order for hydrogen peroxide I’d believe piranha solution was used for these purposes
trace DNA evidences?
I wonder how much dna would be left after a lye then acid bath
The plausibly only makes it well hidden, if it wasn’t used for that.
It may not be for dissolving bodies. But since the timing is suspect and indicative of some coverup, I would guess probably destroying trace DNA evidences.
It’s also, like not even that much for this kind of janitorial purpose. To add to that, while it sounds insidious, sulphuric acid isn’t the nefarious thing it sounds like.
My first thought went to scrubbing things like iron and calcium stains.
Do you mind if your second thought goes to scrubbing my dishes? I’ll pay it in b12 or whatever brains like
Some people said when it’s mixed with other things it becomes quite potent. I’m not gonna Google it.
Pretty much everything can become quite potent when mixed with other things. There are so many better ways to dispose of bodies than having acid delivered to an island.
It makes chlorine gas when mixed with bleach.
Point is buying something for your pool in bulk isn’t really a red flag, especially on an island that doesn’t have a pool supply store.
I’m certainly not trying to defend Epstein or anything, but this isn’t the worrysome thing.
As in mix to make something nefarious. To dissolve things.
And if you wanted to do something nefarious, you’d try to hide it as something that can be explained away. You know, as pool supplies.
You’re grasping at straws.
You’re right criminals would never think to hide their activities. That’s crazy talk. Now let’s talk about that weirdly profitable car wash.
What other proof do you have that they were dissolving bodies? Because that’s the implication in the “scariness” of sulfuric acid, right?
Great cover story. At this point, no conspiracy theory is crazy enough to not be true.
I heard someone say on a podcast that 330 gallons would last about 15 years. I haven’t fact checked that and AI wouldn’t touch it, lol.
I think that would very much depend on the size of the system. If you’re processing a gallon of water a day that’s probably true, but if you’re doing like 60 gallons a day probably not so much. It sounds like he had a reverse osmosis plant in the island that likely supplied all the water in the island so probably even for things like showers and maybe even swimming pools (I assume he had a swimming pool, it sounds right for a rich douchebag like him).
My RO doesn’t have any chemical consumables… Any idea why?
It prevents calcium carbonate buildup on the RO membrane. The acid is added to the incoming sea water to keep it slightly acidic.
Might depend on the source water. The article mentions it’s used for water softening so if you’re starting with water that has low mineral content maybe it’s an unnecessary step.
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If only the current American administration could be bathed in it.
Good goddess that thumbnail is horrifying.
I’m guessing similar shots of the orange choad were the only things his team of buffoons managed to not release in the “redactions” they’ve been doing
Sulphuric acid is not the clean and easy method to dissolve a body as you might think and Hollywood might suggest.
I second this. Sulfuric acid was my entire job for eleven years. It would definitely do the job, but it’s not as simple as dropping a body into a drum with it. You’d need a lot more of it, heat, pumps for a circulation system, filtration for the parts that it won’t eat through right away (hair and fingernails, possibly teeth). There are much more efficient ways to get rid of a body. Especially on an island.
If he was ordering hydrogen peroxide as well that would be more in line with the complete destruction of organic material
Daily Mail
“Would you like a free bath?”
Downvote this whenever you see it, it’s either bait or just dumb reporting.
When I click the URL I see nothing but a video of the guards allegedly discovering Epstein at 6:30am
Worse, I hear they surrounded the island with dihydrogen monoxide, which kills 300,000 worldwide every year by inhalation.
“We stand here today in praise and mourning at the loss of our dear friend the dihydrogen monoxide water joke. It was a good joke. A faithful joke. Always ready for a quick chuckle. A true best friend to the nerd in need. May it rest in peace.”
I heard that people that have tried it once are addicted for life. If they ever try to stop consuming dihydrogen monoxide, they will die.
