If instead of insisting Biden be the candidate from 2023-2024, if we could have had a real primary, quite literally ALL of this could have been prevented.
And if they hadn’t put their thumb on the scale for Hillary in 2016, and she hadn’t decided to reach for some imaginary middle razor thin between corporate liberals and fascists, Trump would just be another dumb clown that tried to be a Republican presidential candidate.
What happened in 2016 was legitimately fucked up. Bernie was primaried in many key states and his debate performance was excellent. Media completely neglected to mention him and DNC buried him in favor of their pick.
Yes, because if we weren’t captured by a single-party corporate system we wouldn’t be in this mess. Reactionary fascism arises from the material immiseration of the people. If the Democrats were beholden to improving the lives of citizens rather than clinging to power and corporate interests, we would not be in this mess.
I feel that, for a lot of folks, he was the last candidate that promised an actual brighter future to believe in. It’s a shame corporate donors pushed him out of the race, as it left a lot of folks feeling that their voices would never be heard.
I think it’s even fair to say that his dismissal by the Democrat party directly led to the voter resentment that helped Trump win the elections.
Absolutely did. A TON of Bernie bros would go on to vote for Trump, and Trump ran on a platform of “establishment bad,” so having his opponent be the MOST establishment option, who just won their primary through interference by the establishment could not have been better. Not to mention that the Hillary campaign and DNC SUPPORTED Trump’s run until he won the primary
The DNC literally admitted to braking it own rules and cheating for Hillary in court.
Your bullshit here that Bernie couldn’t win the primary so he wouldn’t win the general is post-hic rationalization of the DNC being an undemocratic institution and justifying their theft of the party.
Without addressing that theft, no primary in the world will fix this.
Bernie had no chance of winning a general election when he couldn’t even win a primary that’s why Trump wanted to run against him all three times and now there’s people comparing that with ICE occupying a city and murdering American citizens.
He did not lose the primary by democratic means, but by Democratic means. His primary performance cannot be used to gauge his performance in the general.
However, I agree that there’s no point complaining about the corporate Democrats using their power to win. The thing for people who believed in Bernie to do is to get power, and use it to defeat the corporate Democrats.
Losing faith in democracy would be acknowledging that the amount of huge money and influence took power out of voters hands, choosing Hilary for them. You’re arguing that people shouldn’t vote for the candidate they support because of a system inherently lacking in actual democratic power. You’re supporting something that isn’t inherently democratic.
You’re right that he would have lost if he somehow won the primary. Both the Democrats and Republicans would oppose him, which is impossible to endure, unless Bernie could enact a Trump-style takeover. And the superdelegates thing among others makes that rather unlikely.
So instead we get good cop bad cop in our elections, and a corporate puppet becomes President no matter what. Which is why I like to vote third party. Giving a vote that makes me an enemy of the entire country is too much fun to pass up.
i mean sure most of my comments are at the maturity level of a 12 year old but occasionally i pop out something where i remember i’m in my 40s. i think. i haven’t done the math in a while.
Ok. So you are a cynic for whom no answer is going to be good enough.
Maybe just don’t share any of your perspectives or opinions in the future then, considering the manner of your opinion did direct harm to our ability to stop Trump when we had the chance?
Loudly spouting defeatist BS while voting for something is detrimental to getting the thing you voted for. If you want X but spend all day telling everyone it’s all pointless, it doesn’t matter if you voted for X when 15 other people decided there’s no point in trying for Y since X can’t happen.
Whether I agree with either of these people’s views is irrelevant.
I think people who spent 18 months berating people, so they could run a guy who was so utterly incoherent he didn’t even know the names of his own policies on stage; I think those people are largely responsible for why fascism has emerged in this country, regardless of how they individually voted. You spent well over a year using your rhetoric in a way that directly contributed to fascism taking over in this country, and hiding behind your identity as a democrat wont change that.
Bidens why we’re here dude.
If instead of insisting Biden be the candidate from 2023-2024, if we could have had a real primary, quite literally ALL of this could have been prevented.
Don’t excuse these Nazi’s actions by pointing at Biden. Biden didn’t turn them into Nazis.
But Biden’s poor management of the Democrats let the Nazis take power.
Any asshole trying to be President over 70 is a problem.
“It’s not the bad guys’ faults, it’s the fault of everyone else for not stopping the bad guys.”
You are an ass hat.
Nothing about criticizing the one person who held the power to stop this all from happening, is an argument in support of the fascists
And if they hadn’t put their thumb on the scale for Hillary in 2016, and she hadn’t decided to reach for some imaginary middle razor thin between corporate liberals and fascists, Trump would just be another dumb clown that tried to be a Republican presidential candidate.
Ten years later and you’re still talking about Bernie losing the primary.
What happened in 2016 was legitimately fucked up. Bernie was primaried in many key states and his debate performance was excellent. Media completely neglected to mention him and DNC buried him in favor of their pick.
and yet he still didn’t have the votes
Yes, because if we weren’t captured by a single-party corporate system we wouldn’t be in this mess. Reactionary fascism arises from the material immiseration of the people. If the Democrats were beholden to improving the lives of citizens rather than clinging to power and corporate interests, we would not be in this mess.
I feel that, for a lot of folks, he was the last candidate that promised an actual brighter future to believe in. It’s a shame corporate donors pushed him out of the race, as it left a lot of folks feeling that their voices would never be heard. I think it’s even fair to say that his dismissal by the Democrat party directly led to the voter resentment that helped Trump win the elections.
Absolutely did. A TON of Bernie bros would go on to vote for Trump, and Trump ran on a platform of “establishment bad,” so having his opponent be the MOST establishment option, who just won their primary through interference by the establishment could not have been better. Not to mention that the Hillary campaign and DNC SUPPORTED Trump’s run until he won the primary
That. And people don’t understand a binary choice.
Yeah I get he lost and people are sad but the next step is to move on instead of letting what’s happening happen.
The DNC literally admitted to braking it own rules and cheating for Hillary in court.
Your bullshit here that Bernie couldn’t win the primary so he wouldn’t win the general is post-hic rationalization of the DNC being an undemocratic institution and justifying their theft of the party.
Without addressing that theft, no primary in the world will fix this.
Them saying that they are a private institution and make their own rules isn’t quite saying what Trump and co told you it meant.
It was the easiest legal argument to make.
A private organization until it is time for federal funding.
Fuck off, pathetic defender of oligarchy.
Edit: If the corruption of the DNC was purely an invention of Trump, DWS wouldn’t have lost her position and DB wouldn’t have lost her job.
Private organizations can get federal funding too.
Ah, but we must move on from that as well. The important stuff to pay attention to will only begin in 2032. Nothing until then matters.
This is what makes me lose hope in democracy.
Bernie had no chance of winning a general election when he couldn’t even win a primary that’s why Trump wanted to run against him all three times and now there’s people comparing that with ICE occupying a city and murdering American citizens.
He did not lose the primary by democratic means, but by Democratic means. His primary performance cannot be used to gauge his performance in the general.
However, I agree that there’s no point complaining about the corporate Democrats using their power to win. The thing for people who believed in Bernie to do is to get power, and use it to defeat the corporate Democrats.
You have it ass-backwards.
Losing faith in democracy would be acknowledging that the amount of huge money and influence took power out of voters hands, choosing Hilary for them. You’re arguing that people shouldn’t vote for the candidate they support because of a system inherently lacking in actual democratic power. You’re supporting something that isn’t inherently democratic.
And you’re calling the voting system as it stands undemocratic.
You’re right that he would have lost if he somehow won the primary. Both the Democrats and Republicans would oppose him, which is impossible to endure, unless Bernie could enact a Trump-style takeover. And the superdelegates thing among others makes that rather unlikely.
So instead we get good cop bad cop in our elections, and a corporate puppet becomes President no matter what. Which is why I like to vote third party. Giving a vote that makes me an enemy of the entire country is too much fun to pass up.
Might as well not vote for the value that vote brings but you do you.
In a discussion about Democrats fucking up running against Trump? Yeah, that’s what the adults are doing here, kiddo.
Sure, adults.
Fair point mr satansmaggotycumfart
i mean sure most of my comments are at the maturity level of a 12 year old but occasionally i pop out something where i remember i’m in my 40s. i think. i haven’t done the math in a while.
MAGA/Trump is still complaining about Obama, tan suits and Nobel Peace Prizes. Your point being?
Well, I guess we showed those dems what they get. Too bad there won’t be another election. Gosh, wish we all knew that was coming.
I’m pretty sure you’d all would have found a problem with whoever was chosen though.
Ok. So you are a cynic for whom no answer is going to be good enough.
Maybe just don’t share any of your perspectives or opinions in the future then, considering the manner of your opinion did direct harm to our ability to stop Trump when we had the chance?
No I think I’ll continue thanks for the advice though!
So you don’t disagree that your actions supported Trumps re-election, and you plan on continuing them?
You should focus on poop jokes.
I voted for Clinton, Biden and Harris.
They all ran against him.
Its not about who you voted for. Its about what you do with your words, here.
You are doing work that directly contributes to fascists winning. So just keep it to your fucking self.
Lol call me crazy, but I think who they voted for is much more important
That is the most retarded shit I have seen in awhile. Because he didn’t vote for Trump. He helped Trump? Huh?
Loudly spouting defeatist BS while voting for something is detrimental to getting the thing you voted for. If you want X but spend all day telling everyone it’s all pointless, it doesn’t matter if you voted for X when 15 other people decided there’s no point in trying for Y since X can’t happen.
Whether I agree with either of these people’s views is irrelevant.
No need to be ableist.
I just explained that I voted against the fascists and that’s what I’ve said too.
Do you not agree that people should vote Democrat for the upcoming midterms?
I think people who spent 18 months berating people, so they could run a guy who was so utterly incoherent he didn’t even know the names of his own policies on stage; I think those people are largely responsible for why fascism has emerged in this country, regardless of how they individually voted. You spent well over a year using your rhetoric in a way that directly contributed to fascism taking over in this country, and hiding behind your identity as a democrat wont change that.