Trump is an idiot but I’ve always wondered why the u.s and mexico don’t join up and use the same force on cartels that they do on middle Eastern militants. If they went after cartels the way they do jihadists across the planet, there wouldn’t be cartels left
We’ve lent Mexico military assistance before. The issue is that the cartels spring from a fundamental lack of control and governance in the areas in question, which means that foreign military means simply can’t fix the problem. At best, it can suppress open symptoms for a few years.
The truth is we’re winning against the cartels the same way we should have fought Al Qaeda, in the shadows. And by actually helping Mexico become less corrupt and more functional.
Sending the 101st in may be cathartic but it’s not the right move. If things go badly then we can always default to a military occupation. But it really shouldn’t be our first option. Or our second, or our tenth.
They have to get far enough away from the western journalists so their massive volume of atrocities isn’t in the public consciousness.
Create a problem and claim yourself to be the best solution. “Drugs are bad. Give us more power to combat it!”
Point the finger at 5 immigrants every day and ask the power over 300 million people to fix it.
What are you talking about bub?
The approach the USA has taken to declare war on <insert anything> has been an abysmal failure. I am pretty sure every single campaign of war on x has ended with x being now even more prominent than before.
Sure but the I’m not expecting the u.s to change. I’m just saying why go across the planet to fight criminals instead of the ones on your continent, but I know the answer is oil. They fucked to my country for nothing but a foothold in the region, at least go fuck some cartel people
They’ll also fuck Mexico up while unsuccessfully fighting the cartels which is why the US military isn’t welcomed there. America’s invasion back in 1846 is still very much in the public’s consciousness there as well.
Notice how all the Middle East militants are gone after 20 years of American occupation? That’s why we don’t do that.
Tinfoil hat time: Also, significant forces on both sides of the border have a motive to keep the cartels running. Cartels spread money and influence around in politics, and they are black hole than has been used in the past to launder money and do other illegal shit for politicians. Not to mention, a (policy) restrictive border makes their business running drugs and people across the line more profitable and in-demand. Worst thing for the cartels would be open borders and an end to the war on drugs.
That’s not why the u.s won’t do it. I’m not saying it works but Americans aren’t gonna stop just picking a new target every decade or two, may as well go for cartels
Don’t shit where you eat.
Militants like the Taliban?
Yeah, if we couldn’t exterminate the Taliban, it stands to reason we wouldn’t be able the exterminate the cartels.
Question : what/who stopped him? How?
Fucking Reid Thompson!
The oligarchy profits off the drug trade. They also profit off the wars. If it’s happening, it’s being ALLOWED to happen, by the oligarchy, because it benefits them.
Because Americans are too racist to support meaningful cooperation with Mexico.
The Mexican politicians don’t want their families brutally tortured and killed.
Just like there are not jihadists left… oh wait.
It’s easier to fight a gang than an ideology. It would work out better I think
There’s too much money in the drug trade. Violence is a cost of doing business. Thier children grow up safe in the United States, living in luxury from the poison we buy from them. They literally have lobbyists working against drug legalization because it would destroy their captive market.
Marijuana is still illegal federally and way past Hearst’s hemp boycot to save his newspaper business, hint: it’s the cartels working against legalization via lobbying.
It’s easier to fight a gang than an ideology.
When Bush first went into Iraq, he described it as a Crusade. For some crazy reason, people in the Arab world weren’t thrilled with this language.
Not really. Just as killing a person doesn’t kill an ideology, killing a person also doesn’t kill the profit motives for cartels.
If anything it makes the problem worse. Because you’ve suddenly freed up territory in a very lucrative black market.
The solution to the drug problem is to instead kill the motivations people have for doing the drugs in the first place:
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/what-does-rat-park-teach-us-about-addiction
This means fixing the housing crisis, guaranteeing people jobs, food, water, shelter, and medical support. It means embracing harm reduction policy. It means ending the war on drugs.
Drug use is a symptom of an unhealthy society. Fix the health of society and the symptoms will disappear, and with it the cartels as well.
Profits are always a risk-reward balance. If the risk goes up (druglords are more likely to be killed) but the price doesn’t, then the market goes away.
Most likely they would just up the prices and use the new profits to buy weapons to defend themselves though.
When a rival cartel gets weakened, there is less supply with the same demand. So another cartel will always use that to raise their prices. So the market never goes away.
Why do you reply to my comment with something that has nothing to do with my argument?
It is the exact same topic
could also give people free healthcare so they can afford real medication.
Or just kill the poor people by sending them to any meaningless war. /s
It’s not a meaningless war. It’s war for natural resources to allow CEOs pad their bank accounts with sweet, sweet government contracts to rebuilding this war torn nation. Also for oil.
Or we need to show another country how big our dick is by picking a fight with them.
because this is not a planet made only for you and yours fucking imperialist
Funny, your likely white, colonialist ass saying that to a native person.
You can be anyone you want to be on the Internet can’t you, tough guy
Even a racist asshole
So how come nobody is talking about it?
Indeed, Vox news. How come, indeed.
I swear to God I think he got this idea from Ben Shapiro’s moronic ass book.
I don’t believe he reads books.
I don’t think you could qualify that thing as a book.
Vox Media Bias Fact Check Credibility: [High] (Click to view Full Report)
Vox is rated with High Creditability by Media Bias Fact Check.
Bias: Left
Factual Reporting: High
Country: United States of America
Full Report: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/Check the bias and credibility of this article on Ground.News
Thanks to Media Bias Fact Check for their access to the API.
Please consider supporting them by donating.Footer
Media Bias Fact Check is a fact-checking website that rates the bias and credibility of news sources. They are known for their comprehensive and detailed reports.
Beep boop. This action was performed automatically. If you dont like me then please block me.💔
If you have any questions or comments about me, you can make a post to LW Support lemmy community.Good bot.
Bad bot, spamming donation links on any post with a media company
Anyone got a link to video or audio of this?
Here’s the best I could find- Trump’s former Defense Secretary Mark Esper claimed in his book “A Sacred Oath” that Trump raised the idea of launching missiles into Mexico to combat drug cartels and proposed doing it covertly to avoid blame. Trump, when asked about this, did not deny the claim but instead chose to say "No comment" - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-esper-bomb-mexico-drug-labs-deny-b2074547.html
Trump’s former Defense Secretary Mark Esper claimed in his book…
Once again these ghouls say nothing at the time and wait until they have a book to sell you.
It’s quite amazing how the right adapted anti-war talking points, while they themselves are also warhawks.
All about that projection
Trump asked for plans to invade Mexico:
So that’s the plan, Mexico is going to be Trump’s Poland.
Trumps Lebanon.
What do you mean? Would it be the most subsidized country in the american region?
Clearly history is not your strong suit, but you might look into something that happened in Poland back in 1939.
Right! I remember a group of Christian nationalists were the political party in control of some government around that time as well.
I learned history when I was at school (in Poland)… lol. You need to mention, when it’s about history, because Poland is fine currently.
And 1939 wasn’t the only time that Poland had bad luck. Look at its partitions.
“Media source stunned by the utter lack of balance and journalistic ethics in reporting on the US Presidential campaign because clicks matter more than facts when it comes to profits, are shocked to find nobody else has done the right thing either”.
Ok, so now that they realize it what will they do?
The thing about Trump’s whole political career that I find most incredible is that just about any one shitty thing he ever did, in isolation, would have been absolutely career ending for anyone else, or in the very least a massive, historically significant scandal. But with him? He just keeps the hits coming, so many disasters in such quick succession that none of them really have time to sink in, there’s no time to really examine them because by the time you’ve really called him out, there’s already some other stupid shit taking up the headlines.
Obama wore a tan suit, the News cycle freaked out. Obama asked for Dijon mustard on his burger, the news says he’s hopelessly out of touch with the common people. These were SCANDALS in the public eye. Trump proposes just bombing Mexico… we have to go out of our way to point out that this is actually a big deal, because next week he’ll have done something else completely insane.
The media gatekeepers responsible for applying consequences through fatal stories aren’t doing it to Trump because they have a vested interest in making sure politics doesn’t become boring again.
It’s partially that he does it so often and partially that many of the claims are so outlandish that no one takes them seriously. Like saying he’ll bomb Mexico. On the one hand, “he says lots of shit” and on the other "Ok, he won’t REALLY bomb Mexico. He’s just saying that. Someone will stop him from bombing Mexico. "
The same reason that he can say insane shit and get away with it is the same reason that there’s nothing he can really say that undermines Kamala’s candidacy.
And partially that education is pretty bad in red states so when Trump says stupid shit there’s a lot of people dumber than him thinking “this guy knows what he’s talking about.” He’s the idiots idea of a genius because he’s the first politician dumb enough for them to understand.
Trump saying something extremely irresponsible and stupid isn’t newsworthy anymore.
It should be. What purpose would this serve? No concern for life or process. It speaks directly to how Trump sees those he considers less than him. If he were president again, how long until he threatens to bomb an American state passing laws he doesn’t like?
It’s all fine and dandy when it’s brown people, but what about working class people protesting for unions and workers rights? What about women standing united for the right to bodily autonomy? When the lgbtq community throws bricks again for getting arrested for existing in public? When women’s suffrage is in question and people start taking hammers to windows and chaining themselves to railings?
Every single thing he says should be considered prelude to the worst impulses of an unhinged and irresponsible mad man with more power than most people on earth could possibly dream of.
Agreed. Trump, the personality, should not be “newsworthy” anymore. Trump, the character in our shit-stirring forecasting, shouldn’t be “newsworthy” anymore.
Trump said a crazy thing that threatens millions of people and everyone needs to know what a threat he is? That’s absolutely is still newsworthy.
Quit speculating on whether Trump is joking, if Trump believes what he says, if he’ll be nicer, or whatever other tea leaves that the media keeps claiming to be able to read. Just report on what the greatest individual immediate threat to this country is saying and doing.
I’d like to think that if he actually ordered the military to bomb Mexico, the upper echelon would realize this would be a war crime and they’d be tried at the next Nuremberg if they followed such an order, which might result in someone who isn’t an angsty 20 year old kid, but maybe someone who actually knows how to use a rifle, decide to be a true patriot who swore to stop threats both foreign and domestic.
That started off sounding like you were saying “someone will refuse orders and not bomb Mexico” and ended up sounding like you were saying “someone should turn their weapons against the man telling them to bomb Mexico”
Yeah, that sounds like a fair summery.
This is because everyone knows he’s a stupid and irresponsible old man.
Don-Old Trump also suggested drinking bleach to cure Covid and using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes.
He’s so irresponsibly weird— and also clinically insane
How sad is it that I learned about Trump’s plan to bomb Mexico not from American news media, but from alarmed Mexican friends.
Mexico is our second largest trading partner. Both Canada and Mexico are our closest allies. They provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey.
I’m not worried that this would start a war. I’m worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.
I’m worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.
Significant tension with our Mexican neighbors is exactly what Trump, Desantis and other weirdo’s rhetoric is causing. They’re just trying gin up more hatred from their bizarre, poorly educated, toxic supporters and they don’t get a fuck about anyone else.
Each time some GOP idiot talks about invading or bombing Mexico the news spreads like wildfire in Mexico while American news media ignores it almost completely. I repeatedly hear about bullshit the GOP freaks are spouting from my Mexican friends instead of reading about it in our own mainstream media.
Both Canada and Mexico are our closest allies. They provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey.
And yet, Trump routinely shits on both countries and his cultists just blindly fall in line.
I’m worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.
Don’t worry, my American friend, we have already developed quite a bit of distrust in your country since 2016, and it’s not likely to be repaired signifigantly until we see if y’all are willing to collectively and loudly reject trumpism and its related bullshit.
Remember when Trump promised EPN that he’d help secure his reelection? And the look on EPN’s face when he didn’t want to say it! 😂
Sufragio efectivo, no reelección!
That’s the moment I realized Trump would roll us over if he could. And now look at this news headline…
Same sentiment from Europe. A narrow Kamala victory will be just a temporary relief.
Getting Trump elected has been a major victory for any enemies of the US, radicalizing the electorate and creating long lasting tensions and distrust,both internal and external.
Republicans in 2028:
“We can’t have an election during a war! The election is suspended until the war with Mexico* is over.”
*-technically the war is with Mexican cartels, not the Mexican government, so as long as we say at least 1 cartel still exists the war isn’t over.
They’ll pull a Reagan and start buying drugs from the cartels.
War on Terror 2: Mariachi Madness
Probably because this is the tenth time he’s said that.
Removed by mod
