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My parents (slightly too old to be boomers) heard that my nephew was diagnosed with ADHD and seem to get it - “I suppose they didn’t know about it to diagnose you with back in our day”. My dad’s blatantly undiagnosed Autistic too.
Doesn’t matter if they’re “made up”.
The conditions that precipitated those words have always existed. The resistance to creating the terms doesn’t make the conditions not exist, it just means that the disagreeable person can justify to themselves that they don’t have to acknowledge them if they can avoid the words.
IOW, terms can help legitimize. They don’t want the conditions legitimized so they don’t have to acknowledge them.
And then they get real snippy when you say “all words are made up.”
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And the thing it’s a response to isnt?
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Which is the point of it. Be a jerk, get a snarky and true response.
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How is telling someone that all words are made up, not just the ones they are angry about, not calling them on their shit in a real way? In cuts straight to the point and is undeniably factual. It can turn to more conversation on the topic if it’s worth the effort. As science progresses, people make up words to explain new discoveries, so all words are made up.
Treating someone like a child that’s acting like a child is how to deal with children.
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What do you think that response does?
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The response is also just kind of snarky and annoying.
That’s the point. Pretend that my problems don’t exist? Get your bullshit thrown back at you.
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Normally I’m all about education, but I know a lost cause when I see one. A person like that probably won’t be persuaded by information. By telling them that all words are made up, you’d be applying the snark you consider fine.
Yet 100% true. And a cromulent response.
An obnoxious response to an obnoxious statement
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Did it ever hold true?
There are cases where it does hold. Trivially, if the wrongs are vastly out of proportion, someone is overreacting. For example, if you’re fixated on your phone, don’t look where you’re going and bump into me, that’s a mild wrong. If I respond by slapping the phone out of your hands and stomping on it, I’ve caused way more damage to you in retaliation.
But in the case at hand, I’m with you: An obnoxious statement designed to invalidate someone’s complaint countered by another obnoxious statement designed to invalidate the previous one, thus defending the original complaint, is perfectly acceptable. The point isn’t just obnoxion, but a counterargument.
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All words are made up. That is a true statement, not ‘a wrong’ thing to say.
Just because it wasn’t polite doesn’t mean it’s wrong. You’re putting morals on how to correct people on a subject you don’t fully understand yourself.
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Agreed, one of those “technically correct but deliberately missing the point” statements. Not sure why you’re so heavily downvoted so I want to explain why I support your statement.
The original statement doesn’t suggest they fail to understand words are constructed for sharing meaning, it asserts that the statements don’t communicate anything useful because the speaker made them up.
The statement is wrong, it needs a response, but “all words are made up” is not a useful response. It’s technically correct but fails to meet the speaker halfway by understanding their position and building towards it. See also: “all lives matter.” Technically correct but not useful, and deliberately avoids trying to understand the speaker’s position.
Someone making the “made up words” argument in the first place doesn’t deserve to be met in the middle. By doing so gives them merit.
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Without additional explanation its dumb yeah. “All words are made up, these ones were simply made up after you stopped being interested in learning about anything new in the world.”
Executive dysfunction!
i mean, technically every word is made up
Well, now I have a term for that awful sinking feeling I get in the pit of my stomach whenever I find out my friendgroups are doing things without me. That’s a start.
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All words are made up, boomer.
“Justice sensitivity” as a symptom of a disorder is fucking wild. Like they really said, “This person doesn’t roll over and take all the systemic abuse. We keep telling them it’s a normal amount of abuse but they don’t accept it. This is their problem.”
I absolutely agree, although I wonder if it’s sorta like “hypervigilance”. Vigilance and keen observation are fantastic!
But there’s also a point where it interferes with your life because it’s freaking exhausting and you just can’t…stop…noticing…every…little…thing…
Maybe that’s what they mean, assuming in good faith they’re not being all 1984 about it…
Although it does feel like the mental health “industry” trend of pushing the onus on the individual who, may simply be reacting normally to a completely chaotic, absurd, often bleak environment.
Yes, and if it interferes with social, work, or home life it can be more than just mentally taxing.
That last part is a worthy criticism of the mental health industry and one that often gets a lot of push back unfortunately.
It results in a lot of misdiagnosed individuals and mismatched support plans that can cause more harm than good.
What disorder are you referring to? I tried to look this up, and justice sensitivity just seems to be a personality characteristic. There are also lots of websites talking about its link to ADHD and autism, but AFAIK it’s not a symptom of either.
Hm, looking it up I think you’re right.
I still think it’s kind of wild that we’ve noticed these things are linked to higher “justice sensitivity”, and as a society we still insist that those people are disordered.
Like, maybe there’s a link between having the kind of “disorder” that our hypernormative society punishes for not fitting its far too rigid systems, and being sensitive to injustice.
It’s like breaking someone’s finger and then noting that that person has high “digital sensitivity”. Like no, they have an injury, being sensitive where the injury happened is to be expected, actually.
Sure, although those are still different things, and people won’t receive a diagnosis just because they’re more sensitive to matters of justice.
I completely agree with you that the stigma around psychological disorders (“disorder bad”) isn’t justified. Especially people with conditions like autism or ADHD often just experience the world differently and in ways that would sometimes be beneficial if everyone saw it that way.
The term “disorder” does a poor job at conveying that these conditions often result from peoples’ inability to function in “normal” society, which is not caused by them being “bad” but rather by society making it difficult for them to function as well as they could.
Ageism. Heard of that one ?
chews… so you like cherries?
Being a boomer is a mindset, not an age. It’s just more noticable in the baby boomer population.
You don’t need to explain your bigotry to me.
Lol, sure thing, buddy
its not just boomers
Thank you for teaching me about rejection sensitive dysphoria, I think it has been playing a role in my struggles, but I didn’t know it.
I really, really, struggle with this. I try to power through and tell myself that most people simply do not care enough to reject you for small shit that I worry about, and those that do aren’t worth my time.
It’s not going well, though.
“We didn’t use to have mental issues back then. We had a lot of people drinking themselves to death and stuff but I fail to see any relation here.”
A lot of alcoholics. A lot of domestic violence. A ton of religious people but no mental illness…
"Back in my day, we didn’t need no ‘feel-good pills’ and no psychiatrists.
No, we just bled out in the bath, and god-dammit, we liked it."
-Will Wood, Marsha, thankk you for the dialectics, but I need you to leave
When you’re growing up and most of your (and your cousins’) birthday parties are keggers because it’s nice out and the adults want to party… and it was a common occurrence to wake up on the weekend to have one or more people you may or may not know passed out in the living room… and you have to clear space on the kitchen table to eat breakfast without knocking over any cans, bottles, or ashtrays.
And then you’re older and find out about the other drugs that were being abused by various adults. And eventually siblings and cousins. And you think “man I’m glad I’m not like that.”
And then you’re yet older, at the end of your rope, learning to recognize your own mental illnesses, and seeing those indicators in others.
And then you’re even older and those adults start dying in their 50s and 60s, and some of the other adults are finally being self-reflective and open about what they were dealing with internally and it’s like a game of bingo and your card keeps “winning.”
I went back to my mother
I said I’m crazy ma, help me
She said, I know how it feels son
Cause it runs in the family- The Who, The Real Me
And then you realize that the years the drugs and alcohol took off of their lives still applies to you, just in the form of chronic stress, anxiety, and depression. And, somehow, you feel some relief. You understand why they turned to substances. And so you sit through the funerals, listen to people say “it was too soon,” and say your goodbyes, knowing it won’t be long until next time. You know that one day it will be your turn. But in the meantime, there’s a hamster wheel that needs to spin because line go up. This is life. This is death. This is existence.
Tick tock.
Is this like those “two truths and a lie” things and one of the terms really is made up?
No, all of these things are fairly common in neurodivergent people.
I can kind of guess what each of these things are by their component words but I’d rather be educated than just assuming things, could you maybe give some cliffnotes?
Basically, it’s all about different ways in which neurodivergent people struggle with stronger and/or less controllable emotions. Justice sensitivity for example can be viewed as an overly extreme reaction and connection to distant injustice.
It might be a reasonable response if it was deeply personal, but that response is extended to all injustice that they learn about. Keep in mind that all of these things exist on a spectrum, so I’m only giving an extreme example to make it understandable.
