Summary
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, in a private meeting inadvertently broadcast via a hot mic, warned that Donald Trump is seriously considering annexing Canada to secure its critical mineral resources.
Speaking to business and labor leaders, Trudeau claimed Trump’s administration is keenly aware of Canada’s resource wealth and sees annexation as a means to control it.
The comments, cut off after staff realized they were audible, underscore growing economic and political tensions.
He also stressed the need to diversify trade, noting, “Geography means we’re always going to both benefit and be challenged by trade with the United States.”
Trump is using Putins playbook. Constantly threaten to annex your neighbors. Neighbors take those threats seriously and start to build up a standing army at the border. Convince populous that the neighbors are threatening the nation and are preparing for an invasion. Yada yada yada. Start a “special military op“ and invade neighbor.
I mean Trump has literally forced both Canada and Mexico to move a standing army in the thousands to the borders now, so I see he is not wasting time with this casus belli.
Mexico already had 10k troops on the border.
He is Putin’s pawn
Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) and warned about Nazis too and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.
Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.
Putins playbook wasn’t exactly that.
he already had control of Ukraine, the problem was his capos were idiots, pissed off the people. and the people kicked out his capo with torches and pitchforks.
he then declared all future ukrainian governments illigetimate. and his actions have been based on a vague idea of “It all used to be one country 300 years ago because of imperialism, and the current government is not legitimate”
That argument doesn’t work with Canada and the US. Yes, the US tried multiple times to take British North America, but failed.
Effectively, America already does control Canada through influence and assertion. but Canada is still a sovereign country. Smooth brained fascist and imperialist Chuds, just want America to look bigger on a map. they think that if there is ever a war with China, they’ll need Unfettered access to all materials in grasp. (which doesnt make sense based on their tariffs against taiwan, those tariffs imply they’re going to let China take taiwan, therfore no war with China)
at the end of the day, its dumb chuds who treat world politics and the hundreds of millions of peoples lives affected by it, like its a game. and they’re angry with canada because america has believed for decades that they’re in a culture war, and canadians are the opposition because they’re on average, much more liberal than american liberals.
Can Americans just own their own dictator and expanding philosophy, please? Americans have been invading nonstop since they started to exist, Putin wasn’t even a spermatozoid. If there is an encyclopedia on this, it is written in English.
at least they recognize the gravity of this insanity.
USA here. I believe (but I dont know for sure) that any “hot” attempt on Canada will bring forth blood on american streets.
just hang in there and defend yourselves by any means you can while we try to get hands on this beast and strangle it.
I am sorry.
edit: clarity
Doubt there will be anything “hot”; it’ll be threats of violence, being met with rational, thoughtful responses that will aim to save as many lives as possible.
I hope you are right. at this moment in time I put nothing past the cabal and the “official acts” empowered degenerative orange sack in the wh.
just 8 short years ago, could you have seriously contemplated that we would be engaged in this way on this thread?
A blue state with the population of texas, lets see how that affects congress.
Canada will be treated like Puerto Rico to ensure this doesn’t happen…
This is what I’m saying.
It would be worse for canadians, but better for Americans which would make things better for both in the long run.
America isn’t a sovereign nation.
its a meat puppet beholden to Corpo/Tech Fascists, Evangelical radicals, The Russian Mafia, and the State of Israel. We have no interest in becoming slaves .
Your society is so broken you have healthcare insurance CEOs being murdered on the street and people cheering for the death because the system is so fundementally broken for people who aren’t modern day aristocrats / old money.
Only a crazy person would trade decent healthcare for the right for every idiot man child to buy a gun. Its a horrific deal for canadians.
Canadians and honestly most of the world hate American healthcare and gun laws.
Monkey Paw: Supreme court rules that the federal government get to draw the maps. You get a totally gerrymandered State of Canada, Magats remain in power forever.
Ontario gets one congressional district, Alberta gets like 10
This is part of what has made Trump so successful:
He has convinced his base (and a lot of the media) that what he says doesnt matter - lying, outrageous claims, incendiary remarks. He is schrodingers politician and his positions generally are “Whatever person X wants him to be”. There is also massive dissonance on Trump “telling it like it is” - despite that NOBODY holds him to his word.
This quite a historic geopolitical paradigm shift. It’s been implicitly assumed that the two countries are forever allied out of mutual interest.
It’s been implicitly assumed that
Society seems to be built on a lot of obviously untrue assumptions.
Thwre is never a permanent ally or permanent enemy in the context of countries and alliances.
USSR was an “ally” until the the axis lost, then immediately became an enemy overnight. Japan then went through the occupation and changed from an enemy into an "ally of the US.
China (ROC), was once an ally of the us, then CCP took over and became an enemy, then the “Opening Up and Economic reforms” happened and now the US and China are sort of “frienemies”, but now with trump’s tariffs, its enemies again.
Heck, the US revolted against UK, and now they are sort of allies all the way throught the world wars until now with trump’s isolationism.
There is no “allies” or “enemies”, just temporary co-operations and competitions
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Trump is trying to speedrun the destruction of the US
Our dedicated boys keep the peace in newly annexed Canada
can we skip to the part where america and china nuke each other, (and hit russia too for good measure). and the rest of the world can go about its business not being treated like pawns by imperialistic savages
If this is true, then another non-Putin style election is off the table.
Nothing Trump says is a joke, unless he realizes he’s getting too much pushback on it for going too far. Then it’s a joke.
Still never a joke to him, that’s what his supporters say for cover.
‘I don’t kid’: Trump says he wasn’t joking about slowing coronavirus testing
Administration officials have scrambled in recent days to clean up the president’s remarks from his weekend rally in Oklahoma.
They had said, “Ha! He was making a funny!”
Trump has zero sense of humour. He never jokes. Every comment he makes is a serious possibility in his mind.
If you think about it. Have you ever seen him actually laugh or just smirk?
Trumpy only smirks when he’s insulting people.
This is the happiest I’ve ever seen him.
His best trait is his comedy skills in my honest opinion. He absolutely has a sense of humour. And I’m an angry Canadian who would put a bullet in the guy’s head if I could.
Dude is funny. That’s why he’s in office.
The thing is that there is a truth behind every joke.
Sorry, but no. You might have brain damage if you think he’s funny.
He is funny. In the sense that we’re all laughing AT him, not with him.
I just had this conversation with my boss yesterday. He said he thinks the comments are funny because he thinks he’s joking and just making everyone mad. I said no, he may present it as a joke to test how far he can go, but if there’s not enough pushback, he keeps going.
But also like, what if that was what he’s doing… Why is this funny again? This is the president, why would we want someone who jokes about serious shit like that in charge?
The brain rot in this country runs deep.
Rumours that the United States, in conjunction with Wile E. Coyote, are going to Nuke North Korea into Next Tuesday are GREATLY EXAGGERATED
Yea, everyone knows it’ll be Monday. The worst day of the week.
Happy to see the precious metal aspect of this get pubicity, even if accidentally.
This is all about life without China.
Tawain, drones, precious metals. They’re all related.
I would kill and die in a war with Americans if they tried to force us into becoming Americans. I would rather die and take as many of you with me as possible than become an american
Guarantee I’d be sabotaging shit on this side to help you guys win. Every sensible American loves our Canadian neighbors and respects their sovereignty.
make no mistake, that line gets crossed. its over for everyone.
The US will enter a civil war. And it probably wont end for decades Canada will be destroyed. Gobbled up in the same civil war south. NATO will cease to exist. Europe will be in peices. The war with Russia will expand, many of europes countries will refuse to honor treaties and end up fighting each other until some vague lines are drawn between Russia and the resistance.
And as an american I applaud you for it. This is the dumbest timeline.
No you wouldn’t.
I’m American and I’d be 100% on your side, there is every reason to not be in the US, you don’t deserve our fate.
Minnesota will likely join you. And if you don’t know our state history, don’t fuck with Minnesota.
We fucking love Minnesota. You guys are awesome.
Can we get a hint?
Well, starting with the civil war Hancock would, if I remember correctly, go on to credit MN for essentially winning the battle that turned the war. Here’s another good write up.
They lost 82 percent of the fighting force in a day. Biggest lose for a unit in American history.
We can start going more modern from there, however, in terms of straight state pride, fuck the slaveowners. Fuck unjust governments. That battle is everything a Minnesotan needs to know when it comes to fighting for what’s right.
We also took a confederate battle flag that day(Virginia’s?) and every couple years or so they ask for it back and get told to pound sand. The full embodiment of being Minnesotan
I’d say you guys are already honorary Canadians, but I’m told I shouldn’t fuck with Minnesota, so I’ll just do a friendly nod as I hold the door and wish you a nice day neighbour and please give my best to yours and if your kids are up for it my kids wanted to do that playdate, so would pizza be ok, let us know if there are any allergies we should know about.
Eh, with current events, most of us would take that title with open arms. However, title only, our work of undermining the current administration is just getting started. Most of us would rather be Canadian, but think about the chaos we will sew from the inside out.
Anyway, sounds great, only allergies are fascists, thanks.
I like your fighting spirit. I look forward to calling you my countryman.
How would that even work. It’s an an entire country made up of provinces. We have our own provincial governments. Canada is fucking huge. How would they enter? The border spans the whole width of the continent. Do they even have a big enough military to even do that?
None of this even makes sense, it sounds like the biggest dumbest joke any president has ever came up with, besides building a wall along the opposite border, which may have started but never even finished, or turned out way too expensice to be realistic or something like that, what ever the fuck happened.
For Canada’s population they are a remarkable country, but even so, for Canada to win a war they don’t need to fight, they only need to walk backwards and wait for winter.
and go where? tens of millions of people running into the woods. means tens of millions of dead people.
Northern people Live in cold climates, but you know where we sleep at night? in bed under blankets in insulated buildings
Yep, I would bear arms against any who cross that border with ill intentions. They step foot across, and they’re pulling a stump back.
If they try it they will hear the snow banks talking like the trees used to in Vietnam
As as US citizens here i will join your side
As a Wisconsinite, I will cheerfully defend Canadian sovereignty. Come for us, you fascist fucks.
Yeah I was gonna say let me cross over real quick. I’m American, so I’ll bring my own guns as long as you can provide some healthcare.
Violence in exchange for healthcare is celebrated by a lot of people.
Does anyone have a video of this recording?
Ya know, even with all the apt comparisons to Hitler and Putin, one thing I didn’t have on my bingo card was him actually trying to expand US territory by invading and annexing other countries. I thought that was one big difference.
Everything else I could imagine is now in progress: Disregard/end of the Constitution and rule of law–check. Dismantling of democracy into an authoritarian dictatorship–check. Mass deportations and concentration camps–check. Full-on implementation of Project 2025–check. Blatant corruption, lawlessness and self-enrichment for trump family and oligarchs–check. Implementation of Christian Nationalist policies–check. Dismantling of federal agencies and beneficial aid programs–check (so far DOJ/FBI, USAID, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, Dept of Education).
As yet unchecked, but only a matter of time (it’s only been 3 weeks!): dismantling of additional agencies and programs: SNAP, medicaid first, then social security, medicare, all the stuff they hate. Use of military against civilians, requirement to carry ID papers with proof of citizenship, sham elections, and more!
Unanticipated by me: Musk given free reign to dismantle whatever parts of the US government he feels like, and now invasion and annexation of other countries and territories!?! In the sights: Panama Canal zone, Greenland, Canada, and Gaza. Could this really happen?
Could this really happen?
No. Just like most of his agenda so far, he’s dead serious and wants to do it, but he keeps finding out he’s far too inept to pull it off.
Hitler was evil AF, but he was also smart and charismatic, and he knew how to fill a government with supervillains.
Maximum effort, trump might start amassing some military on the border. When that happens watch the other news for shit they’re trying to sneak by.
I hope you’re right. I fear you’re not.
He couldn’t even shut down USA aid. All he needed to do was have a semi-intelligent person walk into there and see what the consequences would be for shutting it down. He’s consistently just playing checkers on a chess board and having to roll every move back.
He’s going to piss a lot more people off and make a lot more problems but he does not have the competency in himself or his team to pull off an operation like that against an actual trained country.
Don’t get me wrong, he will eventually shut a bunch of very important shit down probably inadvertently.
Maybe we’ll lose a third of the population to an illness or something on his watch.
I’m a bit more worried overall that he’s now going to permanently be in power than anything. I don’t think the US has it in them too kick him to the curb, and I’m definitely not going to count on the military backing us in a coup.
But he did shut it down. The office was cordoned off, the flag and signage removed, administrative employees placed on leave and overseas employees ordered to return home. Leaving massive amounts of food and medicine to spoil on ships.
Yes, a judge has ordered a “pause” on the shutdown until a hearing takes place, but we haven’t seen them go back to work so far, since it’s Friday–we’ll see what happens Monday. Point is he’s going ahead and doing illegal things and daring someone to stop him. My concern is whether they’ll ignore court orders. Because it’s not like there’s a way to enforce them other than he chooses to comply.
Do the military pledge their loyalty to the country or to the POTUS?
What’s super worry of who they pledge their loyalty to and who they actually keep it to when the chips are down.
I pledge allegiance to the commander-in-Chief: Good now go take all of your neighbors and family and ship them off to internment camps where we certainly won’t do genocidal things. Then go over in front of the state house and shoot all those protesters.
BTW he’s officially ordered Guantanamo to be expanded from holding a few hundred prisoners to 30,000.
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
There’s just one problem. Who will keep and who will break their oath? Obviously many have already broken it. If they think they’re keeping it, who will they consider to be the “domestic enemies”?
He had no idea that 2 billion in farm subsidies came from it. He’s going to have to find some way to twist that to make it work.
Dude it’s been all of two weeks. I wouldn’t say he’s failed at any of these things yet, only delayed in some cases.
People are so desperate to pretend this isn’t happening… Meanwhile, our country is being dismantled in front of our eyes.
Right now, he’s shooting in a bag and handing it around if that doesn’t cause massive protests in the general public to kick his ass out then he Will probably eventually find a truffle.
The country was dismantled in his last term when the Supreme Court was turned into a Nazi sock puppet.
There’s no checks and balances yet we’re not going to get any better until all those fuckers go.
knew how to fill a government with supervillains
Isn’t that what’s happening right now?
I’m not sure that you could say any of those people are super anything
Also one thing Hitler and his Nazi friends have over the Business v2.0 plotters: genuine combat experience. They may be shitty people, but they also got blooded. They were willing to kill and be killed.
A fair chunk of the military minorities that Trump has alienated are veterans, and more importantly, know they will die if he got his way. On the other paw, we got Proud Boys, ICE, and the Xitler Youth. That bunch, as a general rule, are cosplayers. I suspect this what it would look like if they went up against minority soldiers:
It might be alienating veterans, But he hasn’t yet done anything to alienate the act of military and large swaths of the active military, read most, are from impoverished deep red areas
Whooooooooooops!
I accidentally got caught on a hot mic saying what every Canadian is thinking in the back of their minds. Myyyyyy baaaaaaad.
Trudeau
Oh good, I’m not the only one that caught that.
This feels like an intentional “oopsie”
I don’t think he’s necessarily wrong, and I still think that we need to vote with that in mind but…….
This is an intentional “oopsie”
Leaks and hot mics are the best official channels today, lol.
CBC source for the audio in question:
Australians are pissed. We have been right with the yanks in “America 1st” for decades and we get looked over again
But I’ve been told by American lemmy users that it’s not serious and that it’s just a distraction, and that I’m a moron for taking it seriously
American here. You’re definitely not a moron. Too many of our own people are for not taking the orange idiot seriously. He may be tremendously stupid, but he has more than enough malice and greed to make up for it. And the people staffing his regime are honestly worse.
Most Americans don’t realize the scale at which their empire works tirelessly to oppress or subsume all other nations. Telling them about CIA interference in the '70s and '80s blows their fucking minds, let alone what’s going on today across the world. It goes against the narrative that they’re tough but fair stewards of the planet and not schoolyard bullies with nukes who have transformed the global economic landscape to benefit themselves, so it doesn’t make sense to them.
There’s a lot of gaslighting on Lemmy, specially because of the nature of by and whom it was founded for. Troll factories play both sides: https://www.wired.com/story/russia-indictment-twitter-facebook-play-both-sides/
According to people on Lemmy, everything Trump does is a distraction. When he starts loading people into box cars and sticking them in ovens, it will still be a distraction.
People give the moron too much credit as a strategic manipulator. He’s not that coy. If he says something, it is because he has no filter and he was genuinely thinking it. His people might talk him out of it (or distract him away from it after the fact), or his aging addled mind wanders off to other things, and only then will it have been a “masterful ploy” to misdirect, or rile up the libs, or gain compliance through threats, etc. Every stupid and evil thing he has said aloud, he meant wholeheartedly at that moment. The problem is he may or may not decide to have follow through on it later, so you don’t know if you should react to it. But if he said something threatening, it is a threat. It isn’t necessarily a threat that will be acted upon. But it absolutely is still a meaningful and serious threat.
Exactly. He has no concept of what a joke is. Or of humor in any way. Have you ever heard him laugh? I sure haven’t.
As his fans always tell us- he says what he thinks.
Sure, most of what he thinks is stupid and/or wrong, but he says what he thinks and it’s only “a joke” when it’s so embarrassing that even he realizes it on some level.
An American calling you a moron isn’t the insult they think it is.
Agreed, it carries very little weight
Hey now! … Well, yeah.
it’s a distraction, but it’s also very real. everything is a disraction from everything else. they’ll get away with whatever they’re allowed. use what power you have to sabotage the things you can and do your best to have faith that someone is doing the same for the things you can’t help. i with there was more to do. i really do. but right now the biggest, most dangerous force in the battle between good, evil, and indifferent are the indifferent. we’re stuck out here desperately trying to convince the indifferent that the news media is fully captured and that the onslaught minorities say is happening is really happening
Well a lot of what he does is distraction. But yeah I think he wants Canada (even though it would shift things left, which he hasn’t thought about and likely won’t acknowledge) and Greenland, cuz big land.
It’s not going to shift things left if Canada was annexed. Even if they were given voting rights (which is doubtful), their population is both a magnitude smaller, and Alberta exists.
How much was the election won by? Pretty sure it was less than 41 million.
They can influence the popular vote, but that legitimately means nothing as far as presidential elections are concerned. For example, if they give the entire country 2 electoral college votes as a state, it’s voter base is effectively irrelevant to the outcome of any future election.
Should Canada be turned into a state and not just controlled as a puppet, they would more likely be given one vote per province, which is 13 votes. With a couple of their provinces being heavily conservative already, as far as shifting things left goes, that would be more like 10 votes. And for context, the state of Florida has 30.
If it were to happen the way it’s “supposed” to, if Canada were admitted as one state it would instantly become the largest state and gain FIFTY electoral votes, as a state gets the same number as they do Senators and Representatives combined. Again, barring the very shenanigans that would likely be the only way this could happen, those fifty votes would be Democratic-leaning for at least a generation. Alberta and the Prairies combined don’t have many more people than the GTA.
You could mitigate the presidential-electoral hit by letting them in as 13 provinces, but then you’re probably adding 16-18 Dem Senators versus 8-10 Republican. The only real hope is to get the Canadians to vote against their interests and split their Electoral votes when almost no other states (and no other large states at all) do so.
That’s assuming it happens aboveboard, of course, which naturally it wouldn’t, and would instead plunge the entire continent into violent misery if not outright war.
Thank you for adding more detail.
Yeah, I’m running under the pessimistic assumption here that incorporating Canada into the United States would not be done fairly or reasonably if it happened. I suspect that they would get a pittance in terms of political representation, justified by the xenophobic and nationalistic guise that “all those Canadian immigrants shouldn’t be influencing American politics.” Probably using talking points like,
- They haven’t been here the whole time.
- They don’t understand our politics.
- They have a different (read: socialist) culture.
- They’re the newest State(s)
Administratively it wouldn’t be one state, it would be 10 states because of the 10 provinces. You have 10 provincial governments that run pretty much the same as state governments. If you didn’t do that you’d have “state” level for the country, and then a second State level for the province, before you get into counties and lower. Canada can not run as one state, as states are set up.
If anything it would be 10 US territories. It would take years before it was ever allowed to become a state even if peacefully annexed which would not be how this would happen.
Trump says it himself when he says 51st state.
even though it would shift things left, which he hasn’t thought about and likely won’t acknowledge
I keep hearing this and, ignoring the fact that it annoys me that we’re even entertaining the idea of annexation, it doesn’t make much sense. For one, there’s no way we’d be given the right to vote; And two, Canada will be a bombed out warzone for the far foreseeable future. It’s more likely the USA will break apart before Canadians accept being American. Even if we pretended that we wouldn’t call on NATO for help, Canadians would go guerrilla until the last Canadian is standing
I think Americans underestimate the level of pride Canadians take in not being American.
~rural Alberta is a different story though~
Well I’m talked out about this, so what I said to other people: I really don’t think you can not give 41 million people the vote. Even trump when he says 51 state implies that it’s a merger, to use that word.
The only way to do this without becoming THE international pariah on the likes of North Korea is to do it peacefully.
If there is an invasion that comes to blows, the US will become person non grata on the international stage. Everyone will boycott everything from the US and to do with US. This is where you say but but but iraq, and that’s where I say that was different. If the US invades an ally, its finished internationally. I know it’s all rah rah USA number 1 but you need international support/trade/commerce/cooperation. It’s not that people care that much about Canada, it’s that no one will ever want to do or find the need to do business with the US again when there is no trust. They would have just showed that there is no such thing as cooperation with the US. It will be down to Russia and NK (and China will sell things, but China basically thinks they are above having friends/allies). So it you think a right wing authoritarian government is not stupid, they wouldn’t do it, except “peacefully”.
I think you are underestimating the might of a military that has 1 Trillion dollars a year spent on it and has over 1 million active duty members. Trump is also dumb enough to authorize the use of nuclear weapons.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d expect the US to occupy us very quickly, but it would take a very long time for things to calm down
Edit: also its incredibly insane that this is a conversation we’re even having?
you’re right. On both points I feel a little like I got transported into one of the bad twilight zone episodes. The ones with out a moral that just say “damn wouldn’t that suck”
