My producer, Neigsendoig, uses Wavlake. I’d be happy to provide a link if you all are interested.
I’m not subscribed anymore, but as someone who uses the desktop client mainly it’s hard to find a good alternative (good UI, snappy)
Deezer and Qobuz are meh. I won’t use Apple or Amazon. edit: or Google.
Maybe Tidal? Are there other ones?I just found a third party player for Qobuz though. Not enough features but cute:
Tidal is good so far. I don’t think it has podcasts though as far as I’m aware which is kindve a bummer
Why does someone with $9 billion need to invest more money into anything at this phase?
Investment generally is a good thing. You wouldn’t want someone with that much money to simply hoard it. Otherwise nobody else benefits of it. Critical thing is, what you invest in…
Would love to see a bandcamp revisit. Not as popular as Spotify but at least sales go to artists now. edit: wasn’t aware about the union busting. kinda sucks there are no good alternatives.
Back To the 70s mail order physical media
You and TotalCourage007 could always try the other option available… 🏴☠️
Man its been so long since I pirated I don’t even know where to start these days
Much appreciated 🙏
I downloaded Spotify once and deleted it within a few days. F-them.
When I requested the data they have of me thanks to GDPR, I learnt they shared my information to other apps and websites. I deleted the app as soon as I got the info.
They didn’t leave already when they gave millions to bag of human shit Joe Rogan?
That’s sure as fuck when I left!
Same
bag of human shit Joe Rogan
This is libelous. He’s a bag of cockroach shit.
At this point he’s a bag of HGH.
Kind reminder that no streaming platform is very good on the ethical front. There are no ethical alternatives because the root of the problem is the legal strangle hold labels and record companies keep on artists and commercial music distribution.
The ethical alternative is listening to mp3s straight from your own hard-drive, just like we did in the '50s.
Fuck yeah, down with streaming I wanna own my shit again
then do that. If you don’t have enough space, get an external hard drive. If you want convenience, you can attach the hard drive to a raspberry pi and access the music from anywhere. You’ll probably never get as convenient as spotify, but hey, you gotta decide what your values are and if that means being a streaming-vegan then that’s the sacrifice you gotta make.
I can stream from Jellyfin
I have found a bunch of my new favorite songs this year on Jellyfin. Some of them are pretty old too, lol.
It worked pretty well doing it the old human-based way, where I got a bunch of albums because I liked the band or even just a particular song. Listening through those or just playing the whole pile on shuffle led me to find plenty of gems that I stuck in my playlist.
Yes!
+1 here
Whatever happened to magnatune? Are they still around?
Not actively, they stopped trying to make money long ago. Since 2018 you can’t buy anything from them and artists are leaving. No new releases since then, of course.
I suppose that is to be expected. They were really not noticed, and spotify more or less put every other option out of business.
Tidal puts artists first, and pretty awesome.
Can’t promise that’s how they are forever, but that’s how they are today.
Zionist supporters :/
I could never get on board with spending money to stream music. There are a TON of radio stations, free streaming services, small independent artist collectives, and more hours of live free music than I could probably listen to in a lifetime.
I am the weirdo though, I get it. I VASTLY prefer live music over studio work.
Some people just use music as a tool. I think you are more likely to say you see it as human expression. Live music is far better when you want to feel something in my opinion.
I’ve never cared much for listening to live music, even if I play myself. Well, at least not for those big ass concerts you pay €200 for. I once heard a guy playing in a church near me and it was intimate and amazing; that’s how music should be… anyway, sidetracked, my point is that I love streaming so much and I listen to music when I cook, when I focus at work, when I need to get pumped, when I need to relate. The idea of streaming is amazing - although having everything in one place all at once does remove some of the magic. I don’t really have a point other than that I hope for more ethical streaming services…
For work I am right there with you. I have been streaming SomaFM for as long as its been around. Several of the channels on there are perfect for working: beat moves forward, no lyrics, great flow.
I do have my own server and about 8 TB of music, 90 percent of which is free and non commercial anyways, lol.
https://infosec.pub/comment/17208208
It feels weird defending Spotify as I have always disliked them and preferred YTM
i just YTM as well. mostly because it’s the less shitty option out there. sucks that there are no good options.
hope this comment summons people with actually good suggestions for my to check.
I will never use YouTube music. Specifically because back when it was Google play music, they allowed you to upload your own library… Then arbitrarily decided to delete everything after a couple years.
For real! After shutting down GPM, YTM felt like an absolute insult. Everything about it was just worse.
there are no good options
Tidal is great. A little more expensive, but it’s owned by artists, and puts the most back in the pockets of artists. The audio quality is also fan-fucking-tastic.
Deezer and Qobuz
CEO of Deezer is a Russian agent
Except deezer is run by Russian Oligarchs. So qobuz.
Thanks for the context
Ukrainians are actually reporting the drones to be vastly overpriced compared to similar Ukrainian drones.
Otherwise there is quite a few indications of corruption and it wouldn’t be surprising if Helsing will become the next Wirecard, as Germany once again follows the fever dream of some billions-worth start-up without following up on what it actually can and cannot do.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t they expensive simply because of startup model and having to pay off R&D? Meaning they should normalize over time.
Why should Ukranians pay for that though?
Although i strongly doubt, that they would have R&D justifying 4x the price of Ukrainian competitors, when people in the field say that the capabilities are similar.
Fair point. At the same time, western stuff has always been more expensive, but at this point it borderline feels like a cope.
In any case, what Spotify did does not exactly equal killing kids, that’s straight up russian propaganda.
Why is nobody mentioning funkwhale in this thread?
You should have left when Rogan was let onto the platform.
After that you should have left when fake music was discovered. Seriously, they have lots of fake music.
No monitization
Bandcamp waives their share on Bandcamp Fridays
August 1th
September 5th
October 3rd
December 5th
Like Bandcamp or not, i can’t ever find the bands i’m looking for.
Bandcamp is owned by union busters. Fuck bandcamp.
I agree, fuck Bandcamp, so I only buy on Bandcamp Fridays.
So… What’s a good alternative?
Direct purchase, like the old days and fuck corporate greed so torrents.
How many artists still offer direct purchases?
Every single one I have ever contacted and asked. If they’re on a label and it’s controlled by a company it’s high seas time.
I wish this was simpler. I never see direct purchases on band websites unless I’m buying physical goods.
Gotta start asking for it. If the bands you enjoy know that people would buy physical or digital copies from the artist again they would begin making them. It only benefits the entertainers.
Forgive me if it’s obvious, but what does “waves their share” mean?
“Waives” instead of “waves”
They won’t take their percentage on the sales, and leave them to the artist
What is an ‘ai weapon’?
Stuff like auto targeting drones
Anyone want to poke fun at me for thrifting physical media now?
Well sure, since you ask… Spotify might be crap, and the CEO is… Well, the usual shit person CEOs tend to be. That doesn’t make physical media any better, digital media is by far much much better in many ways. Specially if you go sailing with your wooden leg and hook hand and parrot on the shoulder. You don’t want to carry all the extra weight of physical media while sailing… And if artists sell directly their music even better, I always support artists selling on their own without intermediaries.
That’s still not good for the artists though since they don’t see a cent from that.
Hip hop was created when a generation of poor kids inherited their parents music collection. Some artists benefitted.
They saw cents when the songs were sold originally; it’s not like I’m running a music charity.
Either buy the albums from the musicians or pirate that shit and just pay to see them in concert. Fuck all these companies.
Paying for music - in a world where the artist gets almost nothing and it’s all wasted on middle-men- is unethical. Music is art and even without the industry there would still be making music for free. Pirate your favorite and donate the money to a local good cause
There’s not much middleman if you buy an album from small bands like Pokolgép directly.
Pirate it, and send $10 to the band.
Pirate it, and send $10 to the band.
Most members of The Band are dead now though.
In that case, send nothing, since they only ones still profiting are the greedy Labels keeping the music from becoming public IP anyway
RIP Rick Danko
And my personal hero, Levon Helm. Rest in peace.
RIP Garth Hudson
Don’t forget Richard Manuel. What a tragedy, such a talent. RIP.
Then pirate, or send 10$ to their heirs.
I pirate things to see if I like them, and if I like them, I buy the CD and a t-shirt or something from the musician’s website.
Where do you buy CDs? The vending machine in the old folk’s home lobby?
There’s this magical thing called going outside, and in this outside place there are things called shops that sell things. Maybe you could try going there if you ever try to touch grass?
https://amoeba.com/ https://tradepostentertainment.com/ https://vintagestock.com/
Just to name a few. There are also probably physical stores in your town.
My tech store has a few, and there’s also jpc.de
Buy on Bandcamp.
Til thry decide to tevoke ownership.
Yeah… Give some love to Ticketmaster…
Sneak in and slip the roadie a 10 spot?
Don’t get me started…just…don’t.
From the shitty artist compensation, to the AI content, to their exclusive deals with Joe Rogan you need another reason to stop using Spotify???
Don’t forget their donation to Trump’s campaign!
I used Spotify premium apk for near a decade. They shut down the modded apks so I stopped using them. Not a terrible service honestly, given I didn’t pay them a dime.
Modded apks still going strong… 🤫
spotify already has a propaganda arm of trump, aka JOE ROEGAN podcasts.
and they are trying to move to videos to, which i assume would be giving podcast/video to the viewers to draw in more subscribers for ROEGAN.
Navidrome
Navidrome rules. Made the switch from Spotify some time ago, using the FOSS Tempo app on Android and Feishin on desktop, it’s been a lovely experience so far.
Symfonium is paid on android but it’s also the best. Works with navidrome, jellyfine, NFS, samba, etc…
Yes because people are driven by money a lot sadly.
Is Spotify cheaper than the alternatives?
Im thinking about the artists here because thats what the article is about. Spotify is still the biggest music platform so leaving it, even if the conditions are shit, means leaving money on the table.
It’s hard to compare, because Spotify has a lot of features that aren’t available on alternatives.
If you’re just looking for music availability and audio quality, then the cost of Spotify is pretty middle-of-the-road as long as you’re a westerner with mostly western musical tastes. But when you start getting into other qualities like social features, recommendation algos, API and third-party app integrations, multi-device controls/playback, etc… a lot of those things just aren’t offered by competitors. Those features may not matter to you, but they should probably be considered when comparing platforms.
Spotify also has a lot of promotional pricing that they offer. I think students get a pretty substantial discount. They also offer family plans, so the cost can be split significantly that way, as well.
Android user from India. Only other alternatives available here are Amazon Prime and Apple Music.
