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    Those lists are important! We know how long it took to sentence SS members due to lack of such lists.

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          Right, so you want to execute US law enforcement personnel and defend foreigners instead?

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              Right, so unless you think ICE is literally the SS, you’re not welcome.

              That’s the definition of an echo chamber.

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                No no, you revealed yourself when you assumed that people who don’t agree with the existence of ICE want to “defend foreigners”. It’s nationalist shite, and it’s really old.
                Edit: and yes, it’s an echo chamber. That’s why I’m here: so I don’t have to deal with people like you.

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                  “Defend foreigners”

                  Yes, people who broke into this country illegally, aren’t from the U.S. and shouldn’t be here.

                  What word would you prefer instead?

                  And yes, you just want an echo chamber of people agreeing with you about everything. That’s certainly something.

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        If you picked up a history book, you would know there isnt much of a difference of functions in what ICE is doing versus the Gestapo back in WW2.

        Way to reveal yourself

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          Doesn’t mean execution is the appropriate response, which is what they’re getting at, I’m pretty sure.

          Not to mention it’s more expensive than imprisonment, even life imprisonment.

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          “Gestapo”

          So the Gestapo escorted people out of the country who had broken in illegally?

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              So that’s what the SS is known for?

              Mass executing Jews isn’t the same as kicking out people who came here illegally.

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                No, it’s not. But you really should take advice and pick up a history book. There are a terrifying amount of parallels with ICE and literally every single dictator’s secret police, not just the Gestapo.
                What you remember from history is the endgame of this, and we’re not there yet. If you want to get the comparisons you need to read a little about how things got to the point where millions of Jewish people (and others, mind, it wasn’t only Jewish) were genocided.

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        Lick that boot harder.

        We have plenty of videos naming and shaming cops who violate our civil rights, often times in deadly violations, and they’re all doing just fine and none of them faced anything more than sometime justice for the inhumane and civil rights violating actions.

        It will be the same here, name, shame and make sure they never work in any position of power ever again.

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          So if they’re acting like the SS, you’re saying they should be executed, I would assume.

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          And illegals can self deport at any time.

          So if ICE doesn’t stop enforcing immigration law, then what?

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    If your Democrat politicians are not threatening to persecute these goons if elected, what the fuck do you need them for?

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    It’s about time. The only government employee that should have their identities held in secrecy are CIA agents. The rest can f-off and every single US taxpayer should know who is on the damn payroll. Fuck the US version of the RSHA and NKVD.

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      when this is over they should all go to jail. fuck em.

      but I’m already pissed knowing that if democrats ever get back on power, they will do nothing, doubt they’ll even reduce ICE’s funding.

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        Yes, it’ll all be about “unity” and “healing”.

        Note that even in Germany post WW II, where a real effort was made and at least the official line was uncompromising, the large majority of Nazis and their ideas in politics, society, law, industry GOs and NGOs died slowly of old age over the next 50 years. Without that effort, even a future Democratic president (if even possible) would just be a waiting game for the next Trump.

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      I think a lot aren’t even ICE, especially the mall ninja looking motherfuckers in Amazon ICE and police vests/patches. They’re just ass holes looking to hurt someone brown under the guise of “immigration enforcement”. I’m expecting a day very soon where someone kills one trying to kidnap their SO or child. Only a matter of time.

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      So there actually is a federal (felony) law against that, but not against sharing their names: 18 U.S. Code § 119. This is the most a website could legally get away with, at least for US Citizens. It may not apply to Ice List’s designer (Edit: Who is Irish and living in the Netherlands, which I believe is part of 14 Eyes), but I am not a lawyer.

      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/119

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          And you foresee absolutely nothing bad happening if all the public officers’ addresses were made public?

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            if all the public officers’ addresses were made public?

            if they don’t want to receive what’s coming to them, they can always quit

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              Are you, like, ten years old?

              Imagine it’s 2021, Trump is president. All federal employees addresses become public. Trump does his “we’ll retake democracy” stunt and people storm the Capitol.

              What do you think happens in all the cities where armed MAGA now have access to Democrat politician’s and federal workers home addresses?

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                  All of this has happened.

                  Yeah, I remember the bloodbath of 2021 when people were going door to door and shooting Democrat-aligned officials…

                  WTF are you smoking, mate?

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            Crazy people could start killing legislators like last month

            Edit: What I mean is: Crazy people might start killing legislators, like it has already happened months ago.

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              Yeah, which sounds great, right?

              Unless you’re not on the receiving end.

              You had fun on January 6? Now imagine that, but with armed militias hunting and killing center- and left-wing judges, congressmen, senators, etc., etc.

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                I just reread my comment, I think I wrote in a way that could be misunderstood and I was unclear. I wanted to say, the thing that is already happening might happen more, not “please kill politicians”.

                I was just saying that crazy people already started killing left-wing legislators. I don’t think Trump getting shot would be good for the US or the world either.

                I’m against releasing addresses, I’m just mentioning that that kind of political violence is not a hypothetical, it’s already happening…

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        MLK started abandoning this system and then he was killed.

        Black Panthers disregarded this system which led to COINTELPRO tactics being used to instigate infighting and divisions. Also gun laws became harsher since the non-whites starting arming up.

        The fact that these gestapo fucks all wear masks and are hell bent on not being identified gives cause to believe they require identification.

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            Im not sure about the MLK comment in particular, may have misremembered on that one. But he did get assassinated 1 month before he was set to kick off the Poor Peoples Party.

            Im not sure what you missed re:Black Panthers

            The other thing I didn’t mention previously was the amount of violent actions taken against citizens. Rainbow Coalition attacks, bombing a neighborhood, Kent State, and that’s just the Civil Rights era.

            Doxxing isn’t inciting violence, its identification. Ive been doxxed before and i never felt threats of violence were coming my way.

            Beyond that, I’ve never incited violence in any way like you’re describing. Maybe the fascists should be less violent if they’re worried about violent reprisals though?

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    “I want to publicly shame them into resigning, because they don’t wear masks for safety. They wear them because they know their neighbors won’t invite them to dinner anymore, that their children or their children’s friends’ parents won’t want them at a baseball game. They care about their personal lives, but not about their safety,” Skinner said in a telephone interview with EL PAÍS from the Netherlands, where he lives.

    This is the way.

    ICE list

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      They are literally covering their faces because they are afraid on the public. They are normal people just like you and I. They need money to support their family just like you and I. Focusing on individual agents is wasteful and cruel.

      If a civil war comes, people will need to be able to say they were wrong and switch sides, which means that ICE agents will in fact help save the country.

      Being bigoted is not helpful.

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        They are normal people. Fine. Granted. If normal people realize their mistakes, recognize the harm done, and actively work to fix it, then that is an option in a good society. But they must put forth the effort to do so. They cannot skate by and return to mundane life with a simple apology. Don’t infantilize these adults who have made decisions and used their agency for evil. You seem to want to pardon them long before any of them have faced real consequences. Stop making excuses. They have to be dragged into the light first in order to face the society they are hurting. How else do you expect that to happen?

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        (hyperbole for emphasis) hey guys, they were normal people like you and I. They’re just supporting their families! - You when talking about the workers at Dachau and Auschwitz

        They were people, but let’s not pretend they were innocent. Shame is a great motivator, and would influence many ICE agents to stop what they’re doing, or at least behave better, I would argue.

        Letting law enforcement conceal their identity is some literal fascist shit - that’s not hyperbole.

        The rest of the world (where I’m from) is looking on with extreme concern.

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          Yeah things are rough, and then they won’t be and people will need to be able to move on.

          If I was in another country though, I’m sure I would dismiss americans humanity too.

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        If a civil war comes we need to know who isn’t trustworthy in leadership. This is a list of those people.

        Your misuse of the word “bigoted” is disgraceful. These people chose to lock up other humans in cages to be shipped to countries with worse cages.

        They can support their families by getting a real job and not being a class traitor.

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          Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.

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            Closet fascist detected. It sounds like you’re one of the people needing doxxing, tbh. You are defending MASKED, unidentified assailants who are kidnapping random people, including citizens, off the streets, to be imprisoned in another country under 3rd world standards. GTFO of here, fascist !

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            No difference. They know what orders they’ll be following when they take the job. They are evil people who are relishing being able to exercise their evil as a career.

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              They are jobless people with families to support. Morals come after food for the majority of people. Or are we forgetting how awful it is in this country right now?

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                Hey, fascist. You don’t recruit “unemployed” people off the streets in an obviously politically biased recruiting blitz, arm them, and set them upon the general public incognito with NO training at all, even if you think their families need to be fed. All that means is that one side of the political spectrum is armed now.

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                That is absolutely no excuse at all. If I need money, is it okay to rob a bank, or steal deliveries off porches, or burglarize houses, etc.? I consider ALL of those things to be less immoral than kidnapping innocent people, and sending them to random countries to be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives. Or breaking up families, or sending young Americans to a foreign country because their parents brought them here when they were babies, etc.

                No, we haven’t forgotten how awful this country is, and it’s primarily because people like YOU have turned away from the evil that is happening all around us. The solution is to stop it, not to ignore it, or make lame excuses for it.

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            Both shouldn’t be in any leadership capacity. As they have failed to recognize the value of human life and they would likely do it again.

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              All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.

              People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.

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                Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.

                People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.

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                  If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?

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                  PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.

                  So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.

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        They are normal people just like you and I.

        Maybe like you, but not me. I would NEVER take a job that requires me to abuse my fellow citizens in any way.

        As an adult, I could have easily had a career in the tobacco industry, but that was one of those businesses that I told myself I would NEVER join. There are plenty of other legal businesses that I would never do because I believe they are immoral or unethical.

        But then there are some jobs that are beyond immoral, beyond unethical, and being an ICE agent is one of them. I don’t care how much you need the money, taking the job of abusing innocent families, and destroying lives, simply because you find them icky, is simply EVIL. If you make that choice, you don’t get a pass for any reason, and you deserve the condemnation of your follow citizens.

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          Not everyone has all the privilege you do to grow up coming to those conclusions. Just because you figured it out earlier doesnt make you a better person. You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.

          Now how we expect anyone to change when the “good” people are calling for your doxxing and murder, I have no idea. Apparently we build bridges with gun fire and insults these days.

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            You are totally lost, and have no idea what’s going on.

            You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.

            True, nobody controls the circumstances of their upbringing, but they do control how they react to them. Like MOST people, I internalized a strong moral code that would never let me do many, many things just for the money.

            You seem to think that ICE agents are some kind of desperately poor unemployed people who are taking the only job they can get. I have been extremely broke in my life, I was one of those people that lost EVERYTHING in 2008, our house, car, everything. I still didn’t resort to doing anything immoral to feed my family. If being an ICE agent has been an option, not only would I have rejected it, but so would my family.

            ALL of those ICE agents grew up in the same nation I did, had the same access to education I did, and could have internalized the same moral code, but either they didn’t, or they are deliberately choosing to ignore it now. That’s not “privilege,” that’s sociopathic.

            As for “building bridges,” that might be the dumbest thing you’ve written in all your posts. We aren’t trying to build bridges. These people are truly evil, the same rootstock that produced the Nazis, and there is no appeasing them, no cooperating with them, no working with them. To be partners with them is to embrace evil, and that is 100% unacceptable.

            The only solution to MAGA Treason is to crush it mercilessly, ruthlessly, purge it from our government, and prohibit it’s existence in the future.

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              If you thought I’d read a whole giant wall of text where you call me stupid a dozen times, then you are exactly who I thought you were.

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                Too bad you didn’t read it, I never called you stupid a single time.

                Your own response demonstrated that just fine.

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            Dude fuck that, you act like ice aren’t aware that they’re literally just racially profiling people. Most are j6ers and proud boys and three percenters and other white supremacist hate groups. The rest are people that are on with employing fascist tactics on their neighbors. They are cowards and monsters and they know what they’re doing and deserve according treatment.

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              Well we should probably continue treating them like they aren’t real people with real problems that maybe just dont have good solutions available. That sounds ideal. I’d say the less we treat each others like humans the better, right?

              I’m pretty sure ICE agents dont even have the same emotions us Normie’s have. Practically aliens.

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        There is nothing normal about what ICE agents are doing. If they had a shred of humanity, they wouldn’t carry out such heinous acts.

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              That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren’t people.

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                humanity: noun, meaning humaneness or benevolence. Similar to compassion.

                So yes, I do think a lack of humanity is a problem ICE agents exhibit.

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                  Cool, I’d like for them to be able to learn to not be Nazis anymore. Its nice that you grew up in a way that made it obvious, but some won’t learn until way later in life.

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                  Thats how I interpreted what you said, its not a quote. Reread your own post if you would like.

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          I’m not here to argue legality.

          Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I’m not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.

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              I’m here trying to remind people that their fellow citizens are far more similar than they are different, and we should treat each other with dignity and respect. I dont see how anything else helps. Doxxing people and their families, especially when the site is hosted by some random person on the internet, is shortsighted and cruel. I dont approve of citizens being cruel to each other whether its ice agents or regular people.

              The lack of understanding and empathy in this country is a huge part of the problem.

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            You can’t be bigoted against a job. It’s not like you are born as an ICE agent and it’s just who you are. It’s an active choice to start kidnapping children, not something innate like being black or gay.

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              Sure you can. I hate car mechanics. Untrustworthy fucks. Lazy assholes. Cause new problems just to charge me with. If I see a mechanic on the street, I spit on them. They know to stay away from me by now though.

              I really dont think its so hard to be bigoted in a bunch of ways. Maybe I’m using an inaccurate word though?

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          Cool I’ll just wait for you to make an unforgivable mistake and then decide you are an “other” who doesnt deserve basic human rights. Fantastic value system you have there.

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    Tennessee Rep. Marsha Blackburn wants the identities of federal officials carrying out President Donald Trump’s deportation campaign to remain secret for security reasons. To that end, she introduced the Protecting Law Enforcement from Doxxing Act, which would make it illegal to publish the name of a federal law enforcement officer with the intent to obstruct a criminal investigation or immigration operation. Skinner, for his part, has proposed the opposite: to publish as many names of the officers and their collaborators as possible.

    This list is for future prosecutions, and as such doesn’t run afoul of this proposed law.

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      with the intent to obstruct a criminal investigation or immigration operation.

      Intent is often one of the hardest things to prove in court cases anyway, often requiring additional sources of information to assess state of mind (mens rhea). At least, in a society where law matters. That said, if we assume US law matters at all (which you should never assume considering its historical actions), the stated goal of the site is for future prosecutions, as you’ve said and I agree.

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        They’re certianly afraid of it. The situation is not nearly as rigged as they want you to believe, that’s why they’re trying so hard to make it so

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          I just won’t blame the ICE agents for it, I’ll blame those that make decisions that lead to bad outcomes. This website doxxing ICE is a waste of time and energy. In my opinion its stepping backwards as well.

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              No because they have been convinced they are being good citizens by doing it. They aren’t evil people being evil for shits and giggles. I will allow them the chance to redeem themselves and I will offer them forgiveness when the time comes, just like I would anyone else.

              Internet purity tests just dont work out in real life. People dont live mistake free lives, nor do they ever stop learning.

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                No because they have been convinced they are being good citizens by doing it. Honestly, fuck you, germ !

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                It doesn’t matter that they’ve been convinced. I have access to all the same media, and I haven’t been convinced to join in with abusing people.

                That’s because I have good Critical Thinking Skills, and I use them, especially to guide my morality to follow what I know is right, and not just what my worst emotions tell me. If I start to feel bigoted towards someone, I have the self-awareness to recognize it, and direct my thinking in a better direction.

                MAGAs, and other stupid people, just accept their bigoted feelings, and act on them. Good people will suppress those feelings, and substitute moral and ethical thinking instead, and train their brain to think that way. It’s harder that just reacting to your emotions, but becoming a mature, positively-comtributing member of society takes effort.

                So I don’t accept excuses like they needed the money, or they were only following orders, etc. They knew what they were signing up for, and most, if not all, did it because they saw a chance to wield evil power over vulnerable innocent people.

                They are evil people, and defending them is evil as well.

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                  You dont have access to the same media they do, thats not how it works with technology these days. Honestly, all I see is you trying to convince yourself you are a good person. Thats fine and all, but doesn’t help society much. Its a very selfish reaction to what’s happening now to use it to highlight what a good person you think you are, and what bad people they must be.

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              I see extremely poorly trained and confused ICE agents. They seem somewhat scared as it goes on too. Every person in that video is a victim of what’s going on with american leadership.