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    4 hours ago

    If ICE can detain you without checking your papers and with no due process for the crime of looking a bit too bronze, what good is a new type of visa?

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      To me this read like they wanted to define the terms themselves. If Trump approves, he might start selectively validating that particular visa.

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    Brocero Program 2.0

    It’s funny how the US relationship with Mexico and South America has ping-ponged back and forth between “We need these people to sustain the economy!” and “These people are invaders who are erasing our culture!” for like the last century.

    I said it back during Trump’s first term and I’ll say it again (and again and again as time moves forward, as I’m sure people will never wise up to the game) - illegal immigration is a nothingburger of an issue that gets puffed up every time an authoritarian needs a scapegoat to blame all of societies woes on.

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      The worst part is the people don’t even want to stay here. If they could, they would come to work, and then leave after they made their money so they could be with their families. But they’re scared they won’t be able to come back so they never leave.

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    Funny, I remember Florida running into a similar issue a few years ago when DeSantis passed that law making it illegal for migrant workers/immigrants to drive or for US citizens to drive them.

    Houses left to rot as workers fled the state and supply chains disrupted as freight trucks refused to enter the state and simply dumped their loads at the border.

    I never did hear how that worked out for them, but I imagine they quietly walked back that law and pretended that it never happened.

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    They want an endless supply of people they can keep pointing to as the ‘out crowd.’ They keep using the stick, but neglected any use of the carrot. Now the mule has gotten wise to them.

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    SURE, get a visa, then ICE sees you, beats you and maybe kills you, then throws you into a deplorable concentration camp for weeks.

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    Imagine how desperate one would have to even have a fleeting thought of applying for this visa. And again, why aren’t they addressing the businesses role?

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    Texas builders were happy to exploit people who they could underpay for their labor due to their precarious position. If we gave immigrants regardless of status workers rights like minimum wage and union protection the new complaint wouldn’t be about deportations, but about how wages are too high right now.

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      Texas builders were happy to exploit people who they could underpay

      Just like the entire USA pretty much since it was created.

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        Its almost like the immigration laws only exist to create a permanent underclass and they worked really well at doing exactly that.

        Imo, anyone in a trump concentration camp should just get citizenship.

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    If ICE is rounding up anyone who looks Hispanic, ignoring or dismissing their papers, then a new visa isn’t going to help, is it?

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    Those people will get that visa and ICE will still detain and deport them to make their quota.

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      Republicans want immigrants as long as they are tied to a visa, which makes the immigrant reliant on their employer to stay in the country. It’s basically a personalized tyranny.

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        How many people “deported” already had legal paper work? Providing them with different paperwork isn’t going to change anything.

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      its either that or more expensive “domestic” labor, the other one is asian labor for construction but they are much smaller group and usually on caters to other asian homeowners only.

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    If the only way an industry could survive is through immigration, it is obvious that there needs to be a legal path for the skilled workers to immigrate.

    But I suspect given the sponsors of this legislation that this is unlikely to have a path to citizenship and will amount to indentured servitude.

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      They want the “migrant worker” paeudo-slavery thing they do in other parts of the world, where laborers are a separate class of worker which don’t have rights. And by do t have rights, I don’t mean like the cure state of affairs where the constitution still applies to undocumented immigrants. They want to codify a separate class of non-rights into law for these people so they can never use their employer, don’t have a minimum wage, can be charged for housing, etc

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      MAGAs are inherently lazy, and thinking is hard, so they don’t think beyond their initial pleasure at seeing the Libz getting outraged at their bullshit.

      It never occurs to them that Libz are pissed that the stupid policy is going to cost a LOT of money, raise prices, kill people, etc. Then those things happen, and MAGA is pissed that Libz let it happen.

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      Yeah, they want immigrant labor but not immigrants.

      They’re happy to see them working a field but don’t want to have to “press 1 for English”.

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      giving them legal citizenship/permanent residents meanign they would have give higher wages and pay more taxes, people arnt going to pay for that, both republican/dem homeowners.

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        My understanding was that many farm workers were entirely legal under temporary work programs. Farmers need a flood of additional workers during harvest, that they can’t afford year round, and people in lower income countries can benefit from a month or two of higher pay.

        That’s one of the things that seem missing from this conversation. What parts of it work or don’t work? Wouldn’t it have been much cheaper, easier, respect human rights and the law to adjust that where necessary?

        How is that program doing? Still allowed? How do farmers expect to handle the work? Are people being terrorized by ice into not participating because they can expect inhumane treatment based on the color of their skin?

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    18 hours ago

    Fuck no. Migrant workers can have jobs with people who won’t fuck them over. Until members of the Regime are forced to be worm food, the USA ain’t fit to hire anybody.

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    So apparently ICE doesn’t accept given official id anyways, why is anyone going to want to come on a hope they don’t end up in a concentration camp? Yeah I’m not betting on those odds.