Unbelievable from what I’ve read about just now. This is games-related because it is targeting a gaming community, one that has seemingly taken things too far than they needed to go.
Summary: A user, who I will not name, issued a challenge to the developers of Helldivers 2 to play their game on the hardest difficulty on a mission mode that is known for being difficult, poorly designed and glitchy. Should the developers complete it, he will donate $1,000 to charity of his choosing.
The fanbase? They didn’t take this kindly and have now been making it a campaign to make that user’s life a living hell. Even up to making said user lose their IRL jobs. I’m surprised the user hasn’t killed themselves yet and I hope it never gets to that point.
If you’ve been on the Helldivers 2 subreddit and Steam community, you will know what is going on. I am talking of this because, I hope to never ever see this kind of behavior happen within the Fediverse, because we are supposed to be better than this. I’m not surprised that the rapid dogpiling in rabid irrationality, happened from Reddit because that’s where a lot of it comes from.
There is way more to this drama than I am speaking of, but all it has been doing, is making me disgusted over game-based communities who allow this to happen. I’m disgusted at the people who could’ve nipped it in the bud before it got out of control but didn’t. I’m disgusted at Reddit for predictably allowing it to happen.
I have not felt this disgusted towards something since the Night in the Woods incident. Absolutely disgraceful.
Okay, I know a lot about this issue, and it was one guy that doxxed him and a handful of users berating him. Its not “the community.” Its not acceptable. But neither is Arrowheads response, TBH. They should get Sony to get private investigators to catch the doxxer and make an example out of him, otherwise the doxxer wins. He gets what he wanted. This incident reflects on Arrowhead whether they want it or not, so they need to respond to it swiftly, not their “doxxing bad” public announcement.
Reddit is a cesspit of crap like this. It’s really a shame people do this because if the shoe was on the other foot, each and every one of the people dogpiling would cry foul if it happened to them. So glad I left that place but I am extra critical of Fediverse because of my experience with Reddit in the past.
There are people on the Fediverse who are trying desperately to shit in it enough to where it is comparable to Reddit.
People are clamoring for more people to be on the Fediverse? I don’t know anymore if more people available would be the answer. We could use more microcommunities, but I don’t know about people.
I’ve run into a few of the people that brought over their “Redditness” in how they act in the comments. Never a pleasure.
The loudest are often the weakest. I’m averagely sure there was a (biased) study made back when it was popular which suggested many of the most intense participants of an online community barely participate in the activity itself and are instead more interested in projecting themselves as leaders or a person of influence in order to dictate or direct actions and narratives.
Remember, half the community doesn’t realise the plot is parody of them and not actually glorifying their ideals.
The Boys worst fans lol
We seriously need to give up on the sarcastic, parodic pro-capitalist games, and go back to ripping heads off of virtual fascists.
That’s honestly why I’m torn on Warhammer 40k movies and series, some idiots really do not get it that EVERYONE is horrible in that universe and that the racist, fascist, xenocidal, fanatic, militarist theocracy that has the skull as their main item of decor is evil and a parody on thatcherite conservatism cranked up to 12 (because 11 wasn’t enough).
It is so hard to depict the factions of the empire in a light where you can somewhat identify with the individuals, stuck in the machine to be able to tell a story while at the same time making it look cool AND showing that “this is bad, this is really bad and stupid”. And keeping simpleminded fools from being taken in by that aura of power, toxic masculinity and fascism that oozes through every faction like a purulent infection designed by papa Nurgle himself.
Teach why Fascism is bad and doomed to failure instead of telling people they can’t tell one kind of joke.
Game is fun.
Game supports upto 4 people.
Game does not require a community.
The reddit community around the game has been toxic as long as the game has existed. They bitch and moan and complain about every little aspect of the game, that barely impacts the game. I’ve enjoyed the game a lot more since I left the community.
Reddit communities around games in general are awful. I swear no one in those subreddits actually enjoys the game they supposedly dump thousands of hours into.
Ironically I gave up on the community for the complete opposite reason, you can’t criticize the game because criticism is always met with “you’re an enemy of super earth”. I get it, Super earth is a fascist civilization and Helldivers are the extension of that fascism and a lot of it is on the nose and it’s okay to joke about dissenters, sometimes. You don’t need to scream “enemies of democracy” every single time someone criticizes the game. The game is fun but it’s not perfect. There are real problems with the game, one of which has lead to this complete embarrassment of the community.
In short, the Helldivers 2 community is toxic in every aspect and anyone interested in Helldivers is better off ignoring the subreddit, the steam community and probably also the official discord. Instead join !helldivers2@lemmy.ca where this drama isn’t even mentioned.
The same people who would be susceptible to fascist thought are the same people who think Starship Troopers is about the good guys
Now you understand why media like HellDivers always ends up with the fan base that it does.
imagine going to a game’s online community
just, no. don’t do it.
But how else would I get the past 35 years of Doom WADs?
I mean, there are certain games where the online community actually breathes a lot of life into a game. Lots of open-ended games have fantastic online communities. For instance, Factorio’s online community is largely focused on sharing factory blueprints, finding better ways to optimize your setups, and modding.
In fact, the biggest “controversy” surrounding Factorio is that the company’s founder is a bigot. The official Reddit sub actively turned against him. The mods even started deleting his inflammatory posts and comments for breaking the rules, which is a nice piece of irony. Imagine creating a game and then having the entire fanbase turn against you when you start blowing dog whistles.
Supergiantgames community was really wholesome
Is there a good summary thread? I wonder how exactly this user lost their job as a result of this.
I can give some; A player started a charity event (proposed to) involving the dev team playing the game at its highest possible difficulty, difficulty 10, in a game where the highest achievement is obtained at difficulty 7, after which there are no achivements, so to play dif 10 you gotta love the game and be insanely good at it. Said challenge happens on the hardest scenario of the game, a difficult planet with a weird name that i forgot.
Cool, I guess.
Another player added to the challenge that he would pay the dev 1000 dollars, but not for charity, no no, but to prove that dif10 is fucking impossible. Which triggered a ’ discussion ’ that brought some ‘git gud’ players to be overzealous. They doxed the first guy, sent death threats and other things to.
in short, he got his life ruined because he attempted a fun charity event.
I don’t engage with these communities…but it ended up in an article so i happen to know about it.
To add a bit more clarity:
Difficulty 10 isn’t that hard. I regularly play on 10 and I’m not great at the game.
The truly challenging part of the challenge was that the devs were supposed to use specifically chosen niche, underutilized, and poorly balanced weapons and gear to prove the point that the devs are out of touch in regards to the gameplay and balance of the vast majority of the equipment available to players.
A big aspect of this whole situation is that it arose because a huge chunk of the playerbase is fed up with the developer’s decisions.
which is true (and i played difficult games in the past) but does it deserve the kind of response they had? My feelings about online gaming is that it was either the most fun (not relevant to the difficulty) or weirdly miserable. In the end, I think it’s the overly online crowd that does this, usually active players can be far more chill—
I thought the challenge was because it was a hive world which is a difficulty multiplier due to the alien’s home turf advantage including underground areas, special abilities like burrowing, and hive lords (sand worms). I missed the weapon choice restrictions.
Surely the only reply to the ‘get gud’ mob is to tell them to post a video of them doing it or gtfo. If they can’t do it, they pay $1000 to charity.
AFAIK the person was doxxed and the employer was getting threats so it boiled down to security risk. But I just skimmed over some posts in reddit+steam so this might be total nonsense…
Theres a pretty good one by youtuber dolan darkest, cant link it now but its only 2 minutesish long
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Unfortunately many gaming communities are very toxic and it is easy to get sucked into that vibe so its a downward spiral.
I have REALLY gotten sick of the “git gud” crowd.
I’ve recently been playing Tormented Souls 2. It has a good number of weapons to it, but some contention about ammo scarcity. I pointed out that while using your melee weapon on enemies, and using iframes, is technically viable, even if you’re really good at it, it becomes really samey and boring.
Someone immediately jumped on me as having a “skill issue”, and copy-pasting the generic “developer shouldn’t be forced to make the game your way” argument from every Dark Souls discussion.
Somehow, difficulty has become so entwined with masculine ego that people cannot seem to judge criticism of a game that has anything to do with its specific level of challenge.
I’m tired of those crowds and the hardcore gamer crowds. They believe that they are the best of the best and should therefore, be the ones dictating how games should go. I’ve seen this in real-time with games like Rocket League, where the elitists controlled the asylum and their input was more valuable to Psyonix than compromising so as to make everyone happy.
You can’t even play a casual match anymore without getting penalized when you leave it, since it’s casual and the game places an AI bot in your place to remedy this. All because the elitists, who primarily play Competitive, felt that you should be penalized anyways even in modes where Competitive isn’t the primary focus. Imagine if you were playing single player games and whenever you died or your run ends, you decide to quit the game in frustration.
So you come back to the game later and you’re locked out from playing a single-player game because the people over in the multiplayer side of the spectrum, complained too much about how people quit games that wouldn’t otherwise affect them and the developer taking their side. That’s how ridiculous it got with Rocket League.
This is why I don’t play multiplayer with random people anymore, I am reluctant to gripe about frustrations I have with already hard games when I question the difficulty factor. Because all that it is going to turn into, is just dogpiling with people stabbing at me and screaming I should ‘git gud’ or ‘stop playing games because games are reserved for real gamers’ or ‘go back to playing your shitty 3-match game’.
Today I realized I’m too outta the loop on games since halo 3.
Today I realized I’m too outta the loop on games since halo 3.
It’s a peaceful life…
It’s kind of a shitty thing about modern gaming, is that the game revolves around the community, and if you’re not part of the community, you don’t know WTF is going on, because they never explain anything in the game.
I got pretty sucked into it playing Destiny 1 like 10 years ago but eventually it was too much fucking work and not enough fun.
Yeah life is enough of a grind. I’d prolly get into a chill MMO if the vibe was right.
I hope to never ever see this kind of behavior happen within the Fediverse, because we are supposed to be better than this.
That’s pretty naive, honestly.
Hey, one can dream… I also fear the ‘reddit is leaking’ phenomenon, as the number of Fediverse users rise, the % of assholes will too.
This is really a shame. The Helldivers community was really positive and supportive for quite a while after launch. I haven’t played since early last year so I have lost touch, but this is sad to hear.
There’s a surprisingly big chunk of the playerbase that ignores satire. Any game like that will attract these assholes, oldest example I can think of is TF2
Like as in they were too into role playing the German doktor?
Oh yeah, or an american supersoldier. Or just garden variety chuds. Though with TF2’s artstyle and hats and all of that they become a comic relief character
I have played continuously, but o ly with friends, so I barely know what is going on in the community except when there are major changes like adding the hiveworlds where I peek in to see if there is something non-obvious to look out for.
we are supposed to be better than this
Faulty logic; there are no ethics requirements for fediverse account creation.
It makes me so ashamed. Because I love Helldivers 2. It’s one of my favourite games of all time, and I play it constantly. When I was just starting out, the community was wonderful. They helped me get acquainted with all the systems, had a very “fun is the most important part” outlook even when weapons were routinely getting nerfed into the ground, and there was even a Major Order to either save some children, or get some fancy new stratagem, of which the community overwhelmingly chose the former. Seeing people claiming to be part of that community do something like this, is an absolute fucking embarrassment. There is no excuse. Man just wanted to have fun, and do something unequivocally good. What the absolute fuck.
