David Duke is responsible for my phase where I grew out of a simplistic view of politics and economics and started looking into things a little deeper. Hear me out: Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul. I was young and stupid, what can I say? Anyway, I read some news article that claimed that David Duke donated to his campaign. I was like, “Hmmm, what’s this all about?” And so began my realization that things are never as simple as we want them to be. So, thanks for being a racist dick, David Duke. Without your donation to Ron Paul raising my suspicions, it may have been at least a few more months before I picked up on the rotten smell. I might have actually put that stupid bumper sticker on and everything (shudder).
David Duke’s endorsement is a slander, and I think he knows that and uses it intentionally.
In this recent case, yes. I never made a statement one way or the other on that in my comment, though. Being the type of person he is, he has the choice of being either serious or unserious with his endorsements. Putin does the same thing when he makes some sort of open statement regarding who he would prefer to win the election.
That’s OK. If it gives a few more people one more reason not to vote Jill Stein, I’ll take it.
Seriously. Jill Stein has done nothing and doesn’t deserve anyone’s vote.
Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul.
You and the entirety of reddit in the 2012 election I think. To be fair, there’s plenty liberals and libertarians agree on. Unfortunately, you can share some common beliefs with someone and they can still be a piece of shit.
I was ahead of the curve and liked Ron Paul in early 2008. He made some damn good points about the housing market back in 2007. Turns out he was right and the market collapsed.
That bought him some credibility, but then the Tea Party happened. It was ugly enough that I took a harder look at Paul.
Remember when we thought the tea party was crazy?
Yeah, the moment they started to gain any media attention.
Lol so wait.
You stopped being a Libertarian because someone donated to someone else? Are you serious? You know that… anyone can donate to anyone, right? It doesnt mean there is a mutual friendship lol. Sheesh, never seen remote intelligence from the .world TLD that’s for sure.
It was quite a bit more complicated than that, of course. That was just the first catalyst that sent me down a new road.
The thought process is “do I really want to be a part of a system that the KKK has decided furthers/aligns with goals etc”
If something is good for racists it’s probably worth a critical examination.
A piece shit likes the smell of their own.
I see this more as a loss of support for Trump, just like the many Republican endorsements for Harris. It doesn’t change Stein’s chances either way, and who supports someone is more a sign of how that person leans, not the candidate.
What will be interesting (but again, inconsequential) is how Stein will treat this. Ignore? Simple thanks? A rally to try and pull more of those who would follow him? (I think some will see where I’m going there)
Agreed!
Right? Imagine Trump not being racist enough for David Duke. I bet he’d be really mad if he weren’t straight vibin
They rejected it. From the article:
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
“We had no idea about this and are very, very not interested in David Duke’s endorsement,” Call told NBC News.>
Nothing can hurt or help Stein’s chances. She’s not a real choice. I don’t even think she’s on enough states’ ballots to get the required number of electoral votes.
She can’t win, but she’s on enough ballots to affect the outcome. I assume she knows this and either directly wants Trump to win or is so twisted around with hatred for the Democratic party she doesn’t care that hurting them hurts the entire country.
Florida 2000 Presidential Election results:
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Bush: 2,912,790 (48.847%)
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Gore: 2,912,253 (48.838%)
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Nader: 97,488 (1.64%)
If just 538 Nader voters had gone to Gore, representing 0.0091% of the total vote, Al Gore would have been president.
Tiny fucking margins can change the world. Ask a bunch of dead Iraqi people if they feel like there would have been no meaningful difference between Bush and Gore.
Given that more Iraqis were killed by the Clinton era sanctions, crippling food and medicine access for Iraq, as well as the general hawkishness of the Dems, as evident again with Israel today, it wouldn’t have made a difference.
When it comes to invading and murdering brown people, both parties are pretty similar. Heck Hillary Clinton always got a hard on for escalating to war with Iran.
To be fair, the US Supreme Court decided the 2000 election. Gore’s lead would have needed to be higher than the threshold to automatically trigger a recount for that outcome to have changed.
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It doesn’t change Stein’s chances either way
Which is 0% since she literally cannot win enough electoral votes.
Fucking. LOL.
Yeah I mean what else is there to say. Damn.
Hmm… I wonder why a certain user who’s been posting non-stop about third-party candidates for the entire lifespan of their account chose to ignore this particular article. One would assume it’s important for the voting public to know about this, no?
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Thanks! :-)
Right?! Thanks, friend! :)
Here’s your chance. Defend the article.
They’re ecstatic to be on the same team as Duke, but as usual everything they say is meaningless bullshit with about the same value as a 10 second long wet fart
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
As funny as it is, I think really that is where it can stop. Someone abhorrent said they support someone, that person said, no. No means no.
And yet Duke agrees with her goals. Totally meaningless /s
Dude, I didn’t even post the article. Maybe you can ask the person who did? Did you even look at the name of the poster?!
And what is there to “defend”? NBC News wrote an article that David Duke endorses Stein. I didn’t write it, produce it, edit it, publish it, or even post it to Lemmy. I have nothing to do with this article being on Lemmy.
Exactly what part do you want defended? That NBC news talked to someone? I’m unclear on what you’re trying to ask me to do. Thanks!
You constantly try to defend Stein and 3rd party voting. YOU posted the same exact article, remember, you linked to it. So I was giving you a chance to respond to the article on here that had traction vs your post that had zero. You didn’t, so that’s all I need to know.
What is there to respond to? I didn’t write the article. And I didn’t post “the same exact article” either. There is no rule that we have to “respond” to articles that we post or don’t post.
This article reported some political news. This is a political news community. So people post political news articles.
Not sure what sort of “gotcha” moment you are looking for here. Are you trying to imply that just because some racist wacko inserted himself into the news and said that he supports Jill Stein, that it has anything to do with me?!
Or what is it that you’re looking for from me? I don’t understand.
Dude, I didn’t even post the article.
Looks like I’m 2 for 2 already
Bingo!
Who are you referring to? I’m debating some “Harris needs to earn my vote. So it’s her fault if Trump wins.” idiots right now.
=)
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Who is it?
Unfortunately if I name this person there’s a good likelihood this discussion gets removed since the rules prohibit calling out bad faith actors, even the painstakingly obvious ones. So I’ll leave you with this: you needn’t look far to find that which you seek.
Hmm. I can think of someone who was recently accused of running two accounts. Something like bad mythical figure name.
Who got accused of running two accounts?
Maybe a play on “omnipresent zealot”
I’ve had a tag on the user I think you’re referencing for a minute now. It’s quite helpful.
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My life got much better after I blocked that account a few weeks ago
You think that articles from Newsweek, AP News, CNN, The Hill, USA Today, and Reuters are “Russian propaganda?!” Really?
And why would I get paid to post news articles from news sites to Lemmy of all places?!
Absolutely no one likes you. Go away.
Well, if no one likes me, then shouldn’t be a problem for me to post here. And you can always block me too. Thanks! :)
I don’t have to explain anything to you ;)
You’re making .ml look sane.
Keep up the good work 🤡
how does this article impact anyone’s support for a 3rd party?
I don’t know about you, but I’m saving this post for future citations.
and be sure to save this too:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
Solid plan.
It’s almost like people argue in bad faith on the internet. Fancy that!
Omg 😱 you might be onto something!
Or some people just don’t agree with the echo chamber. Just because they don’t change their minds and vote differently than others, doesn’t mean it’s in bad faith. Thanks! :)
True, some people agree with former KGB agents.
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Great points. Thank you, friend! :)
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Because it’s already been posted here and this community doesn’t allow duplicate posts. It’s also been posted in Politics Unfiltered.
I don’t know what user you’re referring to, but I’ve commented in this thread. And I posted another article referring to David Duke and Jill Stein. https://lemmy.world/post/20893592
I thought it was interesting, so I posted it. Thank you! :)
Ah so you were late to /c/politics. Well I suppose we all have busy days at work sometimes. You’ll get ‘em next time champ.
Wait, I thought Lemmy was under the impression that I post every 17 minutes, 24 hours a day?! And that I’m a team of people. Oh AND that I’m a bot.
So if all that’s true, how was I having a “busy” day at work?!
No, “Lemmy” isn’t under that “impression”. Are you trying to say your profile page is wrong, or that math is?
Woah hey now all I said was you probably had a busy day at work. A little weird to bring up bots and teams of bad actors dude, chill.
People have said that about me. So I’m just wondering how all of those diverse viewpoints can be correct if I am at work and having a busy day.
I don’t recall having brought any of that up? At any rate, it seems like whatever your occupation is, it’s pretty stressful. That sucks.
I didn’t say that you brought it up. I mentioned that many on Lemmy say that about me.
My job isn’t stressful at all. Thanks, friend! :)
If multiple people are guessing that you’re a bot or a paid propagandist you may see that as a sign you’re terminally online and should go explore the real world for a bit.
Maybe you could develop a sense of personality and lose the burden of supporting a failed style of governance
🤷 Idk, I’m not your dad.
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Look at you deflecting.
You average a submission every seventeen minutes and thirty-eight seconds and that’s public information.
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Typical non-American crack head.
I feel pity at your existence 🤷
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You mean the guy former NFL quarterback David Duke Carr was probably named after?
And Putin endorsed Harris. These people know that their endorsement is a vote against that candidate, not for them.
Everyone’s so focused on putting Jill Stein down so that those votes go to Harris. Any ideas on how we can get tiered voting implemented so that third parties are viable choices instead of being the same as not voting at all?
Weird.
This is a real head scratcher.
Republicans trying to spliff off more blue votes from Harris.
IMO, if I had to make a theory on it I would guess he’s trying to pull anti-democrat “leftist” activists into racist conspiracy holes as Jimmy Dore, RFK Junior, and Tulsi Gabbard have all shown that’s a pathway to a trump bullshit.
I think he’s just trolling. Neo Nazi endorses Jewish woman?
Yeah maybe he’s pulling a putin here and we’ll find out he donated to the trump campaign. But Jill Stein is such a weird pick.
Aaaaand there ya go. This is all you need to know about Jill Stein right? Because if Harris is a conservative because of Cheney’s endorsement….
Or are the rules different?
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member.
It’s one thing to be endorsed by an undesirable party, it’s another to accept it or even invite them to campaign with you.
It’s one thing to be the type of person that a racist piece of shit would endorse, and another to be the type of person that a person who hates racist pieces of shit would endorse.
Why do you think a literal Nazi would be honest in his public endorsements and not just doing it for tactical reasons?
Think about it. Trump supporters gonna Trump. This “endorsement” is aimed at harming Steins campaign with moderate and progressive voters, as is evident with the reaction here.
Now the question is, why he wants to do that, as it helps the Harris campaign. What does he think he gains from helping Harris?
Wow. You didn’t even read the article, did you?
Stein’s campaign seems to exists solely to harm the democratic nominee. This is pretty well known by many at this point. She doesn’t denounce Putin’s war crimes, uses Trumps lawyers….
And now, a long-time Trump supporter is backing her, and you’re suggesting that it’s for the strategic purpose of hurting Jill’s chances? She never had a chance to begin with! She only exists to take votes like yours away from the only person capable of beating Trump.
The Olympic-contending mental gymnast required to avoid the obvious here are impressive!
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
So the target audience of Stein under that premise are center/progressive voters. The target audience clearly is not Trump voters.
So even if Steins goal is solely to siphon votes from the Dems, any vote that goes to her is a “win” for her. And the opposite, any voter deciding to go back to Harris is a “loss” for her.
Him endorsing Stein is clearly aimed at achieving the latter. You said it yourself,
Stein’s campaign exists solely to harm the democratic nominee
So her target audience are solely potential dem voters. And these are alienated by that endorsement, as is also very clear in this thread.
So there is two options:
A - the guy is a total moron
B - he is achieving exactly what he wantsA seems unlikely to me, as nazi leaders are despicable and evil, but smart and scheming.
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
Yes.
So you agree that the nazi guy is helping Harris by him alienating progressive voters from Stein.
Then you have to conclude that he is just very very dumb, or you have to agree with my statement, that he wants to harm Stein and help Harris. Which brings the important question, what does the nazi guy gain from helping Harris?
As the guy was leading a large organization, him being dumb is unlikely. Him being good at scheming and manipulating on the other hand is very much on brand.
Harris has her own share of problematic endorsements (Cheney, Gonzalez,…). Sure, they’re not explicitly racist, ‘just’ war criminals, but she accepted them and is actually bragging about getting them.
bragging about getting them.
What a disgusting and willful disingenuous pile of horse shit.
I don’t need to watch anything to know that what you’re implying isn’t reality
It’s literally a video by a pro-Democrat channel of Harris promoting the endorsements.
Right. Because Harris needs the support to keep a criminally charged rapist from being a dictator for a day and calling the military against his own people. Having the support of a Republican in this environment is a pretty big deal. That is reaching FAR across the aisle in an almost unheard of show of support- and it sends a message of solidarity against a fascist.
Having a dirt bag irrelevant racist support a sketchy spoiler candidate?
Well, that’s just damn easy to “deny,” isn’t it? I mean… there’s no downside. And it sure looks good to the press to turn him down, doesn’t it? But then again, it doesn’t look good to have him up her ass to begin with…
Why can’t she reach far to the left to get their support instead? If potential Jill Stein voters can lose her the election, she could see what those people care about and reach out to them?
They would’ve probably been fine with a stop on sending offensive weapons while keeping iron dome stocked or something like that.
Instead they’re trying to find the mythical voter that gives a shit about what Dick Cheney thinks.
Because sadly, FAR more people seem to give a shit about what Cheney says than there are those that seem to give a shit about what Stein says. And not only that, but I’d wager that no matter what she does- a large percentage of the far left and socialists probably aren’t going to vote for Harris anyway. Even if Stein endorsed her.
(Remember a guy named Bernie back in 2016? Yeah. A lot of the “Bros” voted for Trump to spite the DNC)
Their minds are made up and are locked in every bit as tight as their folded arms are.
And I’d wager that she is ACUTELY aware of this. Between her, and all of her advisers- do you think there is no one that understands what she must do to get the votes she needs? Do you seriously think she hasn’t thought of courting the far left vote? She’s not an idiot.
She knows the far left exists.
And she knows many of them have a track record of not showing up regardless. Over 100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. And we got trump- with warning signs of what he would do.
We don’t have warning signs now. We know EXACTLY what he will do, and the far left are all holding their vote hostage over shit many of them didn’t even care about a year ago.
So I’m sorry, but their demands are going to fall on willfully deaf ears. The far left vote is not something Harris is going to risk losing an election over. And historically, candidates that lean too far left…
Lose.
And now, at this point, I’m going to say that we’re far too late in the game for me to care about how you feel about this. This is what it is. This is where we are. You can help us keep America breathing by voting for the one person that has a chance to win, or you can pull the plug because of a single-issue that most of you don’t even really understand.
Either way. Someone is getting elected. Whether you like it or not- with or without your help.
So if you think you can win without trying to court their votes, why the vitriol?
Also: https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/election_scorecard/2007/10/sour_grapes.html 20% of Clinton supporters ended up voting for McCain, the number for Sanders voters is 10%. Sanders did everything to make sure Clinton won, and he still got blamed for her terrible campaign losing.
Jill rejected the endorsement, unlike Harris
Source on Harris accepting a David duke endorsement? Else willful misinformation/trolling
Edit though it can be confused because the article is about duke, this thread is not, and my assumption of commie’s correlation was wrong.
You know what? I respect your edit and you admitting what happened. Rare on Lemmy these days. Have my upvote, friend. :)
You should read the comment chain before making non sequitur requests. It was literally two comments long. You couldn’t help but have read it before getting here.
You have no idea how little I can read.
I shall edit
I was judgmental for the original comment seeming to be in bad faith, but have an upvote, that was a damn funny response.
Yep, funny how may people are overlooking that!
Whatever you say…. Commie.
I was about to say that that isnt really much of an insult these days, given that its not really much different from insulting a republican by calling them “conservative” in some shortened manner and the cold war ended awhile go, but then I saw the username of the person you were replying to.
I use a lowercase c because I’m anticapitalist
And you’re brave for admitting that here on Lemmy. I respect your balls, friend!
The rules are the same. They’re both trash.
Cornel West 2024. Zero endorsements from republicans and other white supremacists.
To counter your little edit there:
No endorsements, eh?
Hey look everyone!
It’s yet another “third party candidate supporter” that seemingly never says anything at all to ever support their candidate aside from just trashing Harris and Harris alone.
Trump who? Amirite?
Centrists haven’t been this happy about an endorsement since Cheney-senpai noticed them.
Why do people even care what a gross white supremacist thinks?
because if a gross white supremacist starts saying/doing things I agree with I need to evaluate if he’s changing or if I’m changing.
This. Actually this. This right here.
There’s an argument to be made about broken clocks, but sometime the answer is simpler than that. “Have I become the asshole?” It’s not fun to run into that, and I have on multiple occasions. You have to be aware of your biases, and check them on occasion in case they’ve drifted while you’re not paying attention.
Nobody is immune to propaganda or above error, particularly those who believe they are
He is not just any wizard. He is grand.
The grandest
And we all know Lemmy likes wizards.
His hat is whack
I put on my robe and wizard hat.
I see a bloodninja reference, I upvote. 🤷
Ok, that’s pretty funny. An endorsement shouldn’t be taken too seriously (given a certain string of endorsements I don’t like for Harris) but it’s still really funny. Fuck Jill Stein.
And they declined his endorsement:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
Harris is openly embracing Dick Cheney endorsements, lol. It is nothing for Jill to reject it. This is also the same crowd that “Biden has changed for his segregationist” lmao.
Yep!
cheney is evil but he doesn’t support the kkk.
I think you’re misunderstanding the Cheney’s support.
Dick and Liz (and Bush and others) aren’t supporting Harris because she aligns with them or they like her. They’re doing it because trump is so heinous, literally anything is better than a second trump term.
They don’t want Harris; they’ve just reached the conclusion trump will destroy the GOP. And they’re right.
As Lindsay Graham said in 2016:
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed…and we will deserve it.
This is self-preservation.
I don’t give af what their reasons are Dick Cheney is one of the worst people on the planet. It is easy not to stand by him. But I’m fine with voting third party this point. I don’t want to be allies with liberals who will throw anyone under the bus to retain comfort.
“I don’t like that one of the worst people in the world is advocating for a candidate, and I’m not going tk vote for that candidate because of this- even though *the other candidates is objectively far worse than the guy I hate”
Is how I interpret that.
Throw your vote away if you want. Just don’t whine here when trump wins because of you.
Trump’s not gonna win tho.
You don’t know that.
Do you honestly think he is going to win?
This election hinges on a hair. Everyone who’s not got a bridge to sell you is saying that, and you think you can predict the outcome?
I’m not buying any bridges. I don’t know who’s going to win, and neither do you or anyone else.
I honestly thought he wasn’t going to win in 2016. I was wrong.
You literally just posted a topic about Trump beating Harris in a battleground state poll. And another about good news for Trump. Along with a stream of other posts that seems curated to talk about bad signs for Harris.
So? It’s political news. And it doesn’t change my mind: I think Trump will lose.
Do you think Trump will win?
You don’t just post random political news from across a range of topics, you post stuff that talks about Harris being weak.
If you were confident Harris would win, why would it be interesting that a poll showed her down in a crucial state? Why would it be interesting that fewer Democrats are registered to vote? She’s supposedly got it in the bag, so none of these things would matter.
I think Trump winning is a very real possibility. It looks a lot more likely than 2020 and that was a razor thin victory.
Trump’s rise is literally because of Dems lack of action results for poor and working class people. Harris is closer to him on Policy than anyone else. Even Trump said so at the debate, and she is still building the wall. You guys don’t have Trump as much as you claim.
Correct!
Donald Trump thanks you for your support.
Harris literally continuing some of his policies, you folks don’t hate Trump as much as you put on. Dems gave up in my state so he is going to win it either way next.
And you hate him so much you’re voting to help him win. I’m doing more than you are.
Dems gave up in my state so he is going to win it either way next.
That’s a cop out and you know it.
You know damn well there are some states that he is going to win for free. I’m in one of them. Yes Dems have given up on some states as well due to seeing it as a waste of resources. Plus she is openly courting Republicans and I don’t support right-wingers. Maybe you do.
Nobody is ‘standing by him’. Hitler liked dogs. Am I supposed to hate dogs because Hitler ‘stood by’ them?
I couldn’t give less of a fuck who the Cheneys support. Their opinions don’t factor into my choices at all.
Yeah having his daughter who defended all of his bad actions on your events isn’t standing by him and he going on about how honored she is. Liberals will literally work with fascists. Malcolm X was correct long ago. Vote for who you want best of luck.
No, this is a situation where the dems need to get as many votes as possible, and you’re underestimating the voting power of old people.
The dems are accepting the Cheney’s support specifically to wake up some moderate, old conservatives who would otherwise vote reflexively for trump simply because of the R after his name.
This isn’t an ideological move, but a purely political one. Politics is not always tasteful. Ideological purity is useless against actual, real-life fascism, and it’s a strategic move. Reality isn’t always rainbows and unicorns.
It isn’t ideological purity. The only people who give up ground is Dems that is why the GOP can dog walk them while going on about space lazers and weather control. There should be some limits when it comes to people like Dick Cheney getting a pass. I’ve done the whole vote for the lesser evil. I’m good. I’ll do what I can locally and vote down ballot for in local elections.
When Trump can come out call Harris for adopting his policies and she has nothing to say back. I’m good. I don’t support right-wingers even with (D) next to their name.
We all know who you really want in power. Transparent as fucking glass.
This is not giving up ground. The only people looking at this and thinking it means Harris somehow supports the Cheneys rather than the other way round are ideological purists. Nobody sane is giving the Cheneys a pass. They’re slime and we all know it. The only thing this tells us is that he’s* so unabashedly heinous that even old school Republicans can’t stomach him. It’s not a difficult concept.
e: *
Jesus can you people just stop pretending that you don’t understand basic electoral politics… For fuck sake it’s so tired.
Ahh yes the average electoral politics post insurrection and still barely outperforming in polls. These aren’t normal times goofball.
This whole topic is the same people who make excuses for why the Cheney endorsements are good (or at a minimum irrelevant) saying how David Duke’s endorsement should make people supporting Jill Stein think twice.
Jill Stein is a grifter and a spoiler working to advance conservative causes, but the hypocrisy here is breathtaking.
There’s a very clear difference: Stein is a well-documented, intentional spoiler who’s funding comes primarily from Republican mega-donors and Russian interests, and who recently said out loud her purpose isn’t to advance her party but exclusively to block Harris.
Her track record makes that endorsement poignant.
If she was sincere and didn’t already align with fascist interests, we wouldn’t care what Nazis say about her.
LOL, no there isn’t.
Horrible person endorses candidate I like: “you can help who endorses you, it doesn’t mean anything about their values”. Horrible person endorses candidate I don’t like: “see, if you support them you’re in bed with [the KKK/war criminals]”.
If she was sincere and didn’t already align with fascist interests, we wouldn’t care what Nazis say about her.
If Harris was a progressive peacenik who didn’t seem open to aligning with neocon foreign policy, no one would think anything of welcoming Cheney into her campaign.
It’s the same exact reasoning, just reformulated for whether you like the candidate in question.
This isn’t about like or dislike. Again, it’s about her track record. If Duke had come out to support Cornel West, we’d have collectively shrugged. I’d still strongly recommend nobody vote for him because he’s a spoiler, too, and I don’t like him as a candidate, but a Nazi endorsement for him would not make any difference.
The entire reason Duke supporting Stein matters is because of her history supporting fascists. How is this difficult to grasp?
Harris has not “aligned with” any Cheney or other neocon. Stop pretending that you don’t understand how electoral politics works.
Yep! Insane hypocrisy around these parts.
And anyone who doesn’t agree with the echo chamber, is a “Trumper” or works “for the Russians” or my personal fav, “posting/commenting in bad faith.” lol
Funny words from someone with a proven history of trolling, lack of civility, and spamming according to the modlog. But please, enlighten us all about how you engage in good faith posting and commenting.
I don’t think Bush weighed in this election season, did he? I was pretty sure he sat this one out so far as endorsements and public statements of support go.
You’re right, I misremembered an article I read last month:
# 200 aides of former Republicans, including both Bush presidents, endorse Kamala Harris
Bush’s lack of endorsement makes him somehow worse than he already was, in light of practically everyone else coming out against trump, and the bar is so low, Satan is tripping over it.
I don’t disagree, but I also don’t think he should be forced to weigh in. He is a former President, I get this, but that doesn’t obligate him to share how he votes or to re-inject himself or his family back into politics, which he left long enough ago.
Good point.
That explains why they support her, it doesn’t explain why Harris is bragging about that endorsement and campaigning with him. Especially when her main message is saving democracy and he’s the guy that actually stole an election.
Especially when her main message is saving democracy
This is exactly the reason. Because saving democracy right now means getting every possible vote, and the Cheneys can sway some old, Reagan/Bush republicans who reflexively vote R without really paying attention. If even the Cheneys support Harris, they might take notice. It’s an enemy-of-my-enemy situation.
It’s an enemy-of-my-enemy situation
Thats the same situation that stein is in, and the wider pro-palestinian movement are in with white supremacists like David Duke. Yes they support your movement but have completely different worldview and in most cases opposing values and motives. The right thing to do in that case is what stein, and most of the pro-palestinian movement have done and call these people out for the trash they ,denounce them, and remove them from the gathering spaces. Granted Cheney is a different case then David Duke and it’s up to each group to decide where to draw the line. I personally would draw it away from a plutocratic war criminal like Cheney.
If not for moral principle then for strategic reasons, having those people around discredits you. Yeah the pro-palestinian group could gain a couple white supremacists but they lose far more support among the great majority of people who despise white supremacists. Yeah the dems could gain some of those Romney Republicans , but they’re also alienating the people who hate Cheney and everything he represents. That ratio is obviously less one sided then the Nazi, anti-Nazi ratio, hopefully, but it’s still a chance your taking on Cheney. I wouldn’t take that since Cheneys popularity and legacy have tanked in value in the last decade.
