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Summary
Wisconsin resident Bradley Bartell voted for Trump’s promise to crack down on “criminal illegal immigrants,” but now his Peruvian wife Camila Muñoz has been detained by ICE.
Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency. On their way home from a honeymoon, immigration agents detained her at a Puerto Rico airport.
Despite no criminal record, she remains in a Louisiana detention center. Her case reflects ICE’s broadened enforcement that now includes documented immigrants.
Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, now questions the impact on families like his own.
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Sad for his wife, but honestly fuck him, he got what he asked for. He has zero right to complain.
Didn’t she willfully married a trump voter ? Or did he hide his shitty views before the wedding ?
Well she didn’t vote, so in that way she is not responsible. He is. She may be just as stupid, but we don’t know that.
Such a shame… anyway…
Headline reads like the voice over of a 90s comedy movie.
Good. I hope he’s fucking devastated. I hope his entire world is fucking crumbling. Everyone with three working braincells or more knew exactly what would happen if we let the christonationalist fascists have total control of the government, and pieces of subhuman trash like him willingly made it happen.
Dumb motherfucker forgot that “criminal illegal immigrant” is redundant. If they’re illegal, they’re criminals, even if it’s overstaying their visa. Including his wife.
I don’t think this is correct, because I’m pretty sure that overstaying your visa is a civil violation, not a criminal offense. All criminal acts are illegal, but not all illegal acts are criminal.
I doubt someone who voted for Trump understands the difference between a criminal and civil violation. Hell, our own government treats ICE like a criminal law enforcement agency with guns and bullet proof vests, not clipboards and name tags.
Correct. It’s a civil violation, and increases the risk of deportation. Normally foreigners overstaying a visit don’t immediately get deported.
The overstay consequence is that it leads to a 3-year re-entry into the US ban if the overstay is under 1 year or 10-year re-entry ban if it’s over 1 year.
Either way, this really sucks for the couple. They most likely won’t be able to have a life in the US anytime in the coming years.
The one bit that’s not being mentioned: they detained her from a flight from Puerto Rico, which is a US protectorate. Does that mean flights from other US states are now being examined by border and customs?
You shouldn’t have to have it happen to you before you realize the impact it has on others, but that’s what we’re up against.
Empathy takes a little thought and many people just can’t think.
I once saw it described on Lemmy that Conservatives have sympathy but no empathy.
I saw a Ted talk that talked about inability to entertain the hypothetical. Some people are simply unable to entertain the hypothetical "what if my wife is deported’, they can only recognize it when it becomes "my wife is being deported ".
Link, please?
I’ve heard that some people have difficulty with hypotheticals in general. not just on political issues, like it’s a surprisingly common cognitive issue.
I think both (edit: lack of) Empathy and this inability are required.
Inability to entertain the hypothetical is a failure in the pure logic reasoning side, quite independent of Empathy.
So, even the purest of sociopaths (hence, no Empathy whatsoever) can reason that “this can turn around and bit me” and thus not do certain things against others purelly for the selfish reason of not wanting to risk it coming around and bitting them.
Meanwhile those with Empathy will partly feel the emotions of others when observing them, and also when imagining “how does/will this make them feel”. They don’t tend to do things that hurt others because they themselves end up feeling some of the pain via their own Empathy.
So people with high Empathy won’t even want to do things to hurt others because it feels bad, those with low or no Empathy but an ability to entertain the hypothetical won’t support certain kinds of things that will hurt large groups of “others” purelly because of the higher risk that they themselves might directly or indirectly end up worse off from it and only the ones combining low Empathy and that inability to entertain the hypothetical (or just being too stupid to even begin to understand the risks of those things) will actual support such broad attacks on “others”.
And they confuse the two and think they’re being empathetic. I’m not even sure they have sympathy anymore.
From the article I don’t get a sense he is at all questioning his vote. He feels his case is special and the government messed up. For him. She’s vetted, so it’s ok. The others deserve what they are getting.
Yep. Brackets by me:
[Him and his wife] have been thinking a lot about [his] vote for Trump.
“I knew they were cracking down,” he said. “I guess I didn’t know how it was going down.”
He imagined the administration would target people who snuck over the border and weren’t vetted
But his wife, “they know who she is and where she came from,” he said. “They need to get the vetting done and not keep these people locked up. It doesn’t make any sense.”
The dumbfuck doesn’t show any contrition at all, he just says oops I didn’t know. When this topic came up in the interview, he didn’t admit any regret or that he put himself (and his wife) in this position - he just says that the government is wrong to do this to him/his wife, and that they should go after other illegals instead. What a piece of shit.
He’s probably just playing CoD while his wife shivers in a cell. His main grievance is that regular sandwiches aren’t arriving.
I bet he’s playing cello suite no.1 in G major
lol. Where is this from?
An article from just after Jan 6th happened. My phone says I saved it on Jan 8th, 2021, so it was literally a day or two after.
My sister in law’s family are all El Salvadorian refugees in Houston. Everyone under 50 are citizens now, but las abuelitas are not. They were all massive Trump supporters hoping that he will kick out “all the illegals” but are convinced that their grandparents wont be deported, and that they might be able to bring in more family.
Juxtapose that to my family, where my English mom was naturalized 20 years ago after coming to the US on a green card. My family have always been pro-immigrarion since we would never dream of denying someone the same opportunity that we were given. We are all ao flabbergasted by it, but they all love Bukele as well, so i guess it shouldn’t be a surprise.
This is the problem endemic with the GOP voter mindset as a whole. They lack any shred of compassion and only care about themselves. The point of a society is shared burden. If you don’t want to love your neighbor, go live in the woods
Empathy is a marker of intelligence. I strongly doubt the education of conservatives. Hence the need for first-hand experience
These shithead said out loud what they would do - so he is mad because he voted for what trump said he would do. What a dipshit. Sorry, you don’t get s Oops this time.
Hahahaha
I hate how many people are this fucking stupid.
hateful*
*hateful and stupid
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He had a year to learn and study. No sympathy for those who goes in expecting a different result and don’t really educate themselves.
Oh no anyway.jpg
I hate that as americans were so stupid we have to learn like this because we can’t hear people out before it gets to this point.
Well that’s what decades of destroying education will do
I had a Scottish chick in Edinburgh tell me that I was the only American she enjoyed talking to. I didn’t realize just how poorly we were viewed overseas until I went myself.
I didn’t realize just how poorly we were viewed overseas
We are poorly viewed by intelligent beings here too.
The amazing thing about this is that Americans who travel are on average a lot more open-minded and intelligent than those who don’t. And we still make a terrible impression.
Guess you can’t take the murica out of an american
they just refuse to listen.
People here don’t even think. I feel like most people in my life barely understand they exist. They are like walking products that work for the evil that created them.
Haha, you think they learn.
Like I believe one of your founding fathers Benjamin Franklin said: “Experience holds a dear school, but fools learn from no other”
He would have been pretty nonplussed by our current batch of fools who can’t even learn from experience.
I pity Madam but I have little sympathy for Sir.
I have little sympathy for Madame. She travelled
out of the countryto Puerto Rico for her honeymoon, knowing she overstayed on her visa. Given what had happened in the weeks leading up to them leaving the US last week, she really should have not gotten on that plane.The stupidest thing she did was marry someone who would vote that way. She should have left his ass the second he cast that ballot, if not before.
The reason I sympathize with Madam is the same reason I sympathize with most migrants: they’re not doing it to hurt the country they migrate to, they’re trying to have a shot at a better life. I totally get what you’re saying but that doesn’t make her a bad person.
Sir however is a dumbass: he did the very thing the guy he voted for said he would crack down on and now he’s bitching and moaning… Well ya know, faces, leopards and all that.
She should have left him when he supported a rapist criminal for President of the country she wishes to join. Face-eating voter by proxy.
Unfortunately, there’s a high chance her immigration application depends on her being married to him. My husband and I have been at his process for going on 8 years, and it entirely rests on me sponsoring him. If we were to separate, his whole case would get shut down, and he starts over with an even more expensive and complicated process. We aren’t going to divorce because we love each other, but it’s still something that his lawyer had to advise us about.
She went to Puerto Rico. Which is a US territory.
That may be true, but they have been rounding up legal immigrants at the various ports of entry for weeks. I didn’t see that the trip was to PR, but either way, they’ve rounded up several legal immigrants just here in San Ysidro. She knew she was no longer legally here, fucked around and found out.
