“Even if this motion is successful, it doesn’t mean that Luigi Mangione walks out of prison,” said Ron Kuby, a criminal defense attorney whose practice focuses on civil rights. “All it means is that the items that were seized from him, or seized that belong to him, can’t be used as evidence against him.”
Kuby thinks that Mangione’s team has made enough claims in their papers to merit a hearing on the issues, in which the police officer involved would have to testify, confirming or denying the facts. “It does appear that they stopped and frisked Mangione without a legal basis to do it. If that’s true, everything that follows from there is likely to be found to be unconstitutional,” he said.
“ _Brazen killing” I sure do love to see mainstream news articles.
Is there any other kind of killing? I mean murders are all described as cowardly and brutal. But is there such a thing as a gentle or brave murder?
Poisoning?
Poisoning is considered a next level evil in western culture.
For example all killings by poison in Canada are considered first degree murder. There are no exceptions.
Yes, actually, both sneaky/covert killings and also accidental killings are still illegal but not very brazen as a broad daylight shooting on the city streets, leaving behind bullet casings with a message etched into them.
I saw a cartel video of a guy being shot in his sleep. That was pretty kind.
It was carried out without shame so brazen is sn appropriate adjective.
Wow, that sketch makes the youthful and confident looking Luigi look more like a mob underling from a GTA game. Yikes
Courtroom sketches always butcher people’s appearances.
I rather enjoyed the one of Giuliani: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/26/politics/video/rudy-giuliani-court-behavior-courtroom-sketch-artist-rosenberg-src-digvid
This could go in the cat meme or the throw chair meme
I stopped reading at “silencer”
That’s a correct word. In fact, it’s more correct than “supressor.” The first supressor was literally called the Maxim Silencer, and the ATF uses the term “silencer.”
Are you bragging about willingly staying uninformed?
Without the obviously planted evidence, all they have is a video that doesn’t show his face. If i was on the jury, that’s enough reasonable doubt for me.
And the eyebrows arent even close to similar
If the Brow doesn’t fit, we shall acquit.
If the arrest was filthy, he’s not guilty.
I mean, he’d need a functional alibi. So far, nobody seems to want to explain where he was when Thompson got got.
Literally was with me that night. I can describe his very private birthmark if needed.
No he doesn’t, that burden is on the state.
Not really; without the items that were seized, they don’t really have much of anything that would link him to the location, aside from some bad security camera footage that, IMO, doesn’t really look like him. Insisting that he needs an alibi is reversing the burden of proof; it’s saying that, unless he can prove he was elsewhere, then their claim must be correct. But they have so little without the evidence seized at the arrest that the case would be very thin.
Look, if you asked me where I was when The Asshole Brian Thompson was shot, I’d have no fucking idea unless it was something that was a big enough deal that I noted it in my calendar. I don’t even remember where I was when 11 Sept. happened.
He was vacationing alone in NYC, so nobody knew or noticed him. No different than being home asleep.
I expect they have more than that and will present it at trial.
Not before they share it with the defense … which is something the prosecution has not fully completed yet.
Even if so, I believe that still doesn’t inherently mean it would be accessible by the public.
Personally I don’t care if the public sees it or not, because the public is neither judge or jury.
It matters big time that the defense has full fucking access to the prosecution’s evidence, in a timely manner, so they can develop their strategy.
I’m not disagreeing with that, I think you’re missing the point being made. The point is that we may not know that there might be more to it. That is all.
What else could they have? They have a video of the crime, and the evidence they claim they found in his backpack when he was arrested, and a couple pieces of evidence they claim they found at the scene that contain his DNA.
Much of the backpack evidence is likely to be thrown out, and the video evidence is highly debateable, and easily refutable. That leaves the DNA items they claim were found at the scene, which could easily have been picked up at his hostel, and planted.
Any other evidence would be far before the crime, or far removed from it, and would be weak at best.
To speculate, they might have additional video evidence linking him to the killing. For example, if they have video of the killer getting on the bus, and Luigi getting off that bus, it’s a pretty small pool of suspects.
They tracked him for 10 days, and he only revealed his face a single time - when he quickly flashed a smile with a girl flirting with him, and that was days before the hit.
Their evidence is extremely thin, and they know it.
That’s what we know of. They always have more that they don’t disclose to the public.
In doubt it, if they had hard evidence that would make all of his supporters shut up, they’d show it, but we’ll find out in the trial.
Frankly, I don’t care about evidence at all. That CEO was nothing more than a Corporate Serial Killer, who was living fat and happy and entitled on an income of blood money, and whoever did it, did America a favor. If I was on the jury, I would NEVER find him guilty, no matter what the evidence showed.
That’s fair. But that also means you’d be first to go during jury selection.
I doubt that they would show their hand publicly; they don’t want to poison a jury pool.
On the other hand, if they had better video of the shooter, I’m sure they would have released it, because they were trying to get people to ID the killer. One shitty video of half of a face doesn’t really help a lot.
Precisely.
Guy is going to jail, the grave, or both. Guilty or not the state is not letting a little thing like police evidence tampering or innocence get in the way of him paying for the consequences being brought home to that CEO. Truth was publicly spoken to power, and someone has to pay for that in the states eyes.
Please remember the power bestowed upon a juror. Don’t take it for granted. https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf
And it looks like finding them not guilty due to lack of evidence, not declaring nullification - for anyone who did not know.
100% this.
I just wanted to say Luigi without getting banned
You can post images, too! Ain’t that neat?
This is my favorite fact about him. He’s been out here trying to make our lives better for YEARS as an unsung hero.*
*If you play Civ.
May his weapon be hollowed thrice over.
Love this, LOL!
I’m on the mobile web client on Firefox (yeah still gotta switch) and it gives me an error navigating to your link here. Says the image is to wide
Best damn animation ever! All I can hear in my mind is the theme from James Bond’s Man with the golden gun.
Luigi is an innocent patsy. The cops planted the evidence on the first convenient person they found.
The cops planted the evidence on the first convenient person they found.
Hardly call his arrest a convenience. They had to chase him halfway across Pennsylvania.
I’m open to the possibility he was set up. But only in the Lee Harvey Oswald sense (someone mired in radicalism who was tangentially involved). You’re going to have to produce a “second gunman” before I toss the abundance of evidence against him as a fabrication.
I’m not particularly remarkable in my looks, and I have so many doppelgangers that people are CONSTANTLY walking up to me claiming that my name is literally anything other than what my name is. I don’t believe this is at all a unique feature of my particular genetics, I just happen to have a face that is known as a “familiar face,” within both the art and acting sphere, as well as the psychological and sociological spheres of influence.
I’m saying that this concept absolutely applies to Luigi Mangione. He just looks too distinct, and quite frankly too chiseled to match the fuzzy photos of the actual killer. This being an extremely high profile case, in which the investigators involved felt pressure to wrap the case up as quickly as possible most likely led to them grabbing the wrong person, and planting evidence that the real killer abandoned on Luigi.
Pennsylvania isn’t particularly big, and it’s literally next door to NYC. You can either go directly from PA to NY and drive into the city from the north, or go through New Jersey. It takes longer to go north, but I think it is a better drive, TBH.
remember that TIP, they baited the people to ID him.
They baited people to find anyone that might look like the shooter.
That’s kind of how locating a suspect works… How else do you locate someone from a description when they have fled and are hiding in the general population?
Don’t rush. Don’t plaster the news with him after 72 hours. Let him think he got away and allow him to make another mistake.
So “don’t look for the suspect”? That seems like, super effective.
Stop snitching. Yeah, don’t look for the suspect outside of law enforcement private channels. Involving the public almost always ends in a “we did it Reddit” moment, which when the dust settles, and we find out the truth, did we realize that the mob picked a convenient target, and we effectively killed a person for no reason.
Law enforcement will find the perpetrator in the long run about 50% of the time. That’s all the deterrence that actually matters. Criminals don’t care about the sentence when they are commiting a crime.
Reddit tries to suppress all discussions related to Luigi, but remember, we have a dedicated community for him: !luigimangione@lemmy.world
Luigi was a wakeup call as to just how heavily information can be censored when it affects the powers at be. I really don’t know what to believe anymore. It feels like there’s no objective reality.
I feel like they had more than enough reasonable suspicion, and that the evidence they found on his person are also very much relevant to the case so it should be presented to the Jury to help them make their decision.
Why do you think they had reasonable suspicion?
Match the physical profile, matched the outfit, matched the face, probably smelled like he hadn’t showered in 2 days, just got off a bus from New York carrying a backpack full of cash.
They knew he got off a bus from New York and that his backpack was full of cash? By the fact that he was sitting in a mcdonalds?
And he didn’t match the outfit, just similar. You think the cops from around the us were justified in searching anyone white in a hoodie because someone in New York did something?
Whoever called the tip in probably knew he was between buses, yes. The exact contents of his backpack would be unknown so long as he didn’t retrieve any cash from it during his stop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree
There are exceptions, though. It’ll be a question of whether or not the prosecution can make an argument that it falls into one of those.
…well, it’ll be a question of who’s at the judge’s bench. The actual law doesn’t mean shit in this country.
The judge on the bench in this case has been insisting on Luigi wearing ankle cuffs, so there’s that for context…
pretty much the courts already show bias.
There’s also the issue of whether their witness is cooperative or not. There’s always an outside chance that the arresting officer intentionally behaved in a manner that invalidates the evidence, and is willing to testify in a way to support that.
America needs more Luigis.
Many, many more.
And should they be on the chubbier side, they can be Mario.
Someone named Mario has a chance to do something really, really funny
He doesn’t have to be called Mario. He just has to be a Mario. Get me?
Definitely more symbols like him. If he’s found innocent, then we must ask if Luigi’s identity and movement extend to the true killer. If he’s found guilty, then we have a more complex conversation.
Either way, we need more.
I’m still convinced this poor kid is a patsy because NYPD was facing down a riot, or worse (for them), for the blatant classism in their investigation efforts.
Unfortunately much of the public has given Luigi credit/deemed him “guilty” out of a need for ideological symbolism and an outlet to express frustration.
I’m also of the opinion that the real killer might have very well gotten away and I seriously would not put it past the dirty cops to have a close lookalike take a fall and plant evidence on him.
Regardless, what the court of public opinion thinks of the guy who got arrested for the crime in question is, thankfully, still irrelevant in court proceedings. The prosecution still has to prove that it was him, and if they improperly collected the evidence they plan to use against him, it’s going to be an uphill battle.
I don’t think a cleanly executed hit like what we saw on the video was some random dude like Mangione. The person who so calmly walked up, took aim, shot, and walked away was cold blooded.
I’m not sure if he is a patsy or not, but I am relatively certain the police cut corners on due process when collecting evidence and when building their case.
Those are the kinds of behaviors that police do that only get caught when the defense has sufficient resources to really challenge everything.
This seems a lot like the OJ Simpson case. Luigi isn’t a celebrity but is a very charismatic whose celebrity has grown nearly overnight.
There is the possibility that growing celebrity and a properly resourced defense can get crucial evidence removed making it possible for an acquittal.
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Nice
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You be careful posting that stuff! Reddit will ban you like they did me! Edit: See they removed your post!
This ^
The court artist made Luigi look like a grumpy Liberace. Wtf?!
He looks twenty or thirty years older than he is.
Incarceration isn’t a cake walk.
I worked in courts and the sketch artists are something else. One time, one of them sketched me in 5min. I looked so bummed and guilty that I felt like I was staring down a 25 year sentence. To this day I still keep the drawing on my wall ( ˘ ³˘)
That’s pretty cool that you can have something like that at home. Must make for some cool conversations.
Between the two of us, how guilty were you? For real though.
Ahah it truly does! Especially when I invite partners, some get uneasy, thinking it’s some kind of trophy of some kind. Can get awkward but it’s a pretty effective glass breaker.
On the advice of my highly paid counsel, I respectfully decline to answer that question and invoke the fifth, trump style.
Trump style? So you’re going to eventually tell us everything?
With poor grammar, lots OF ALL CAPS SO WE KNOW YOUR SUPER CEREAL. Just ramble on in a moronic stream OF CONSCIOUSNESS. All on a 2am twitter post.
covfefe 2.0 anyone?
No thanks. The first one is coming back up.
“The mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
- Trump
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