Including Cory Booker… 🤷♂️ 🙄
Was everything he did recently just as performative as with MAGAts??
Way to put up roadblocks and speedbumps when it really counts Dems… Feckless Fucks. 🖕 🖕
No shit it was. He wants to run for president and he knows that stunt will make headlines but this will be buried in comments where the headline is “16 democrats vote for trump nominee” (aka exactly what is happening here)
Booker is classic neoliberal, no ethics or morals, guided by money and power. 10-15 years ago he was deeply in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry because they are huge in NJ. Then his aspirations went higher and he realized that association was harmful, at that point he had connections that made him no longer reliant on their cash, so he shed them. It’s not growth, it’s a calculated move
I had hoped he was going for redemption. Feckless moron doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of being president
I wonder who he’s going to pretend to date for his next run.
I recall that he was also in favor of charter schools, which made him non-viable for me years ago.
I hoped that maybe he had a real change of heart last month, but I guess that was just a publicity stunt.
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Of course it was performative, it all is.
Of course it was. It was just a political stunt to pump up his street cred as a warrior, in advance of an eventual announcement for a presidential campaign.
Then he votes for the MAGA Nazis.
He’s a collaborator.
This time it’ll be different. You’ll see.
Yes it was! And please look in folks’ comment histories, the tankies were the first ones to call this out.
Keep that energy, know your enemies, all of them.
Never forget, next time they do a performance remember!
so blocking the appointment of the U.S. ambassador to China, in a vote they can’t win looking at the numbers, helps the revolution how?
Because its not about winning, its about taking a stand.
You don’t give NAZI TRAITORS a single vote of support for ANYTHING. They are Nazis, they are the most corrupt and treasonous administration in American history, and any support is collaboration, even a single vote.
and how far should it be taken? shut down the government? occupy buildings?
All of that and more.
how will you vote?
Way more
how will you vote
I’m vote just fine because I don’t live in a shithole country.
But Jesus Christ- Imagine being American and thinking voting was going to save you in 2025
It gets taken as far as required to crush MAGA, bring their treasonous, corrupt leaders to justice, and purge MAGA from our government, society, and the world.
MAGA is literally the same as the German Nazis of the 30s and 40s, and they will be operating death camps, just like their heros. They are already building a camp in Guantanamo Bay to hold 30,000 people, out of the sight of the media and the courts. They’ll send foreigners to El Salvador, but they’ll send Americans to Gitmo.
Are we supposed to wait until they have killed millions, and have people say “Gee, why didn’t someone stop them before it got that far?”
how will you vote?
Can you fight them as hard as they fought you
Nope
Filibuster maybe?
Only when there’s nothing pending
Procedural moves that slow them down
Nah
Could you at least not vote to enable them
Votes to enable them silently with intense eye contact
What the fuck can you do?
Pulls out phone, texts you for $20 for their battle fund
Jesus fucking christ
Cory Booker—New Jersey
Chris Coons—Delaware
Tammy Duckworth—Illinois
John Fetterman—Pennsylvania
Ruben Gallego—Arizona
Maggie Hassan—New Hampshire
Tim Kaine—Virginia
Andy Kim—New Jersey
Angus King—Maine (independent who caucuses with Democrats)
Amy Klobuchar—Minnesota
Gary Peters—Michigan
Jack Reed—Rhode Island
Jacky Rosen—Nevada
Jeanne Shaheen—New Hampshire
Elissa Slotkin—Michigan
Mark Warner—Virginia
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We’re still counting fetterman as a Democrat? Aight.
Also wasn’t everyone fawning over Booker for the sit in DAYS AGO??
I heard that apparently (rumors) Fetterman might run in 2028 to give the illusion that we still have a democracy
He’ll probably show up to the debate in a bath robe.
Gallego: We ditched Sinema because of shit like this.
Primary every one of them.
What if the primary in question is rigged?
Delay, deny, _____?
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The last three months should have been a stark reminder to everyone that after a certain amount of time in their positions, politicians stop seeing non-politicians as real people and everything just becomes a game.
mods have been deleting my comments that remind people that Biden and the Democrats gleefully committed genocide and lost the election for their refusal to even suggest they’ll stop it.
When will people wake up and realize the Democrats are not on our side, not the lesser evil? They exist to give us an illusion that someone is fighting on our behalf, they exist to pacify us, they exist to allow capitalism to turn us into wage-slaves.
They’ll take a knee with us, they’ll give record breaking speeches, they’ll march with us in the peaceful phases, they’ll be on the front line even. They’ll hold rallies and raise incredible amounts to “flight fascism”, and then they’ll step in line and vote to keep the wheel turning RIGHT.
mods have been deleting my comments that remind people that Biden and the Democrats gleefully committed genocide and lost the election for their refusal to even suggest they’ll stop it.
Why they are so threatened by AOC and Sanders, and the calls for the old guard to GTFO
I fully expect the DNC to launch a bigger underhanded attack against the both of them than the Republicans do.
Why they are so threatened by AOC and Sanders, and the calls for the old guard to GTFO
Both Sanders and AOC both support Israel. The progressive base may like them better than “the old guard” but they’re not exactly in love with these two. It’s a begrudging vote, not a happy one.
Hasn’t Sanders opposed Israeli military policy pretty publicly, including voting to block arms sales? [1] [2]
Didn’t AOC accuse Israel of committing genocide on the house floor? [3]
In what way do they support Israel? It hasn’t been my impression that they support genocide or American culpability in it.
They’ve only very recently begun to change their public opinion on it. Last year this time Bernie was catching heat for refusing to support a permanent ceasefire;
Senator Bernie Sanders’s refusal to call for a permanent cease-fire between Israel and Hamas has put him at odds with many of the same progressives […] ^1
Additionally, this is AOCs stance on Israel: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-cortez-statement-first-anniversary-october-7th
As you can see, she strongly condemns Hamas, which is great. She strongly condemns Israel, and Netanyahu, which is great. And I totally agree with the entire statement all the way down until the last paragraph;
None of this was inevitable. And it can still be stopped. Hamas, Israel, and Hezbollah should agree to a lasting ceasefire in Gaza and Lebanon.
Hamas is a terrorist organization which was quite literally created by Israel by their systematic abuse of an entire group of people. There’s nothing about this entire situation that wasn’t inevitable. You can’t abuse a people for decades, encroach on their lives, livelihood, murder them, strongly police them, continually treat them like shit and sub-human and expect them not to retaliate. Much like the US is directly responsible for the situations leading to terrorist attacks against the US, Israel is also directly responsible for Hamas.
Even aside from all of this, her views on Israel again, just like Sanders are relatively new. Just last year she was about to be censured by other party members for being too soft on Israel ^1.
“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.” – Elie Wiesel
So yeah, it’s great that they’re just now coming around to the plight of Gaza and the Palestinians it’s not like they actually believe it. It’s all politically motivated. They’re beginning to understand that unless they condemn Israel they won’t be elected–which is pretty fucked up IMO.
Sanders didn’t even show up or rally for mohsen mahdawi, who is HIS CONSTITUENT, after they were illegally detained for speaking out against Israel.
Nobody is coming for us.
Nobody in power is going to risk losing their grip on it to advocate for real material progress and dismantle the institutions that give them that power in the first place.
Nobody in congress deserves to lead the people. The workers do.
So a lesser evil?
I mean, support for genocide is wholly evil, I don’t care what your other policies are. lol Evil is evil lil bro. There’s no such thing as a lesser degree of evil.
It would be the same if like, Donald Trump was a perfect candidate, but he’s also a sexual predator. That should immediately disqualify him, otherwise you’re supporting that behavior.
Bernie and AOC most closely align with my political viewpoints, but they’re also supporting genocide… If I support them, then I’m also supporting genocide. Is what it is.
If that pisses you off, then maybe talk to Bernie and/or AOC about their stance on Israel.
Yes. There are several recent instances where he’s “slamming” Israel. And then 3 decades where they’re best friends, including up to the end of 2024…
Yah the one governor hugging Trump. I mean come on.
Speakin’ the truth! You have my upvote
And just to be clear, you think The Grifter Party cares about you? Sorry, Green - the Green party.
Sometimes I get their name and their actions mixed up.
Democrats are not on our side, not the lesser evil?
So what are you going to do? Not vote?
Them: Option A is evil Nazis, option B is nice Nazis.
You: So what are you going to do? Not vote?
Those are not the options.
Guillotine Party.
The only reason Cory did his speech was to cover for Chuck Schumer declaring his job as a Senator is to serve Israel.
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I was thinking it
I keep hearing project 2025 was a decades plan and the Dems had nothing planned to counter it. Now I’m guessing they are part of the plan.
Now I’m guessing they are part of the plan.
Dems are bought that’s why.
It’s not like the guy they voted for is a rare qualified pick from the Trump camp.
It’s David Purdue, a failed pillow company CEO, as well as ceo for other textile companies. More recently he dabbled in politics as a Republican senator from Georgia, failed gubernatorial candidate, 2020 election denier, climate change denier, and generally an idiotic sycophant.
The textile experience gives him a small amount of plausibility as a choice, but everything else far outweighs that. Just another loser grifter in Trump’s orbit.God damn, how many more failed pillow company execs does he have left?
I was wondering same!
Maybe it’s something to do with hotels…?
You DONT Understand! They COULDNT do ANYTHING except Vote to Confirm because they NEED Donations!
Donate harder and maybe they’ll consider doing something!
Bourgeois party. Capitalism is incompatible with democracy.
Democracy needs capitalism.
Capitalism does not need Democracy.
Edit: some context because this triggered a few people: it’s a quote from Robert Reich.
Could you walk me through why you think democracy necessitates capitalism?
Capitalism on its own is very anti-democratic. Given enough time, most industries would become a monopoly.
A strong Democracy should have sufficient guard rails for the population to counteract the influence of capitalism: strong unions, solid worker protections, limitation of money in politics, higher tax rates on wealth, and so on. The Nordic countries are a good example of this.
Ok, I think we’re miscommunicating. Either my question was’t formulated very clearly, or I misunderstood what you said in the first place. I took what you said (“democracy needs capitalism”) to mean “if you want democracy, you need capitalism”, or alternatively “if you don’t have capitalism, you cannot have democracy”. My question is why you believe this (if you do, that is; I may have misunderstood).
Your answer I completely agree with, but it just argues that capitalism is harmful to democracy and that at best democracy is like a guard rail for capitalism. If anything it shows that capitalism and democracy are kind of incompatible.
And it’s a side track, but the Nordic countries are not a good example of democracy counteracting the excesses of capitalism. They’ve just outsourced the worst of the misery to the global South. And domestically the situation for workers gets worse year by year (although they’re a long way from dropping to American levels).
Without democracy, capitalism just becomes fascism.
Agreed that capitalism can morph into a hideous beast if not controlled, but would you consider China fascist?
No.
It does if you want people to afford to buy your stuff. Or to have your stuff on the shelves. Happy tariff day. I heard another boat returned to China with no toys dropped off.
The dnc is a sunk cost.
You want a country where you can live free, you’re going to have to take it yourself.
Dont worry though, that will be some other generations problem. Most of us will just have to live through the enshitification of everything. Cherish these last days. You may never see any like them again. You might even wake up one day and think, the status quo was like being stuck at the top of a Farris wheel. Scary, and uncertain but the view was amazing.
I agree. I have stepped away from party activity. They are on their own. There are other better avenues for organizing right now.
The Democrats never actually opposed fascism, they just invoked it because they knew it was unpopular. The problem of the Democrats is that you can’t constantly run on things you have no intention of following through on, without having voters stop believing you eventually.
The Democrats never actually opposed fascism, they just invoked it because they knew it was unpopular.
Yep, and Lemmy totally fell for it. Then turned around and shunned the people who refused to fall for it.
Lemmy is getting what they deserve for blindly worshiping the Democratic Party.
Third-party is the way to be free from this nonsense!
Alright at this point we should just clean house everyone in executive, Congress and Judiciary needs to go
Or, hear me out, make sure people like Trump always lose in the future so they can’t initiate any appointments ever again.
Then maybe biden should have hired an AG who was interested in pursuing justice, instead of dragging things out so biden could run as second worst to trump again.
B-but the decorum, the hypothetical high road!
People like Trump shouldn’t be eligible for fucking office. If you have Felonies pending or served you should never be able to run for office period
Yeah, that’s great, but he is. What now?
I get black bagged and die.
Like it’s almost like you ignored the context completely or something.
You mean being convicted of breaking the law shouldn’t be a badge of honor?
Anybody really know politics in detail and can explain their motive?
Are they afraid of retaliation in some form? What’s the rub?
They are republicans in disguise…
One day people are going to realize this is just theatre. It’s a club with predetermined decisions, similar to WWE. None of them give a fuck about you.
People realized it over a decade ago.
So what shall we do about it?
Vote blue so much that they have to keep passing progressive reform like the always do when blue wins. They made the rules, all we need to do is make them play by them.
Vote blue so much that they have to keep passing progressive reform like the always do when blue wins.
If this is how you characterize the biden administration, you’re expecting people to be too easily content.
Nothing tells them to listen to your damands like just giving them more if they do the opposite of your demands.
This sounds like an abused spouse that is saying “just give him more love and he will change. He said he will. I just have to love him more. The bruises arent that bad. He didnt mean it.”
And like the abuser they are, the Democrats immediately turned on minorities whose loyalty they took for granted. They went racist against Latinos and Muslims, proving that they never cared to begin with.
You ask them to paint and take away their pigments and canvas. You display the result as proof that they’re no artist at all.
Controlled opposition party strikes again!
The Republicans are the Sword, and the Democrats are the Shield.
But if we vote/advocate third parties, or converse in conservative spaces or .ML, .Lemmygrad*, on Lemmy, we’re trolls or shills. 🤮
This is the time for third parties. I get why people were saying not to talk about them during the election but now is the time because it’s obvious that the Dems continue to not have a spine.
It was obvious every election cycle since FDR too. It’s past time for us to stop crossing oceans and moving mountains for those who won’t jump a puddle or molehill for us. Politicians, I mean. I’ll still cast my vote to help the “sane liberals”, conservatives, and marxists who would let me starve in the streets or drop dead in the fields while harvesting their food, or in their bathroom I may be cleaning at the time.
Not committing self harm isn’t equivalent to Moving Mountains etc. This is the whole problem with that standpoint. Yes the genocides that the United States Russia and China are committing are inexcusable. They were also not actually on the ballot. There was no one who stood a chance of getting elected that was going to make those better. But there was one that vowed to make things worse. And they won. Like many of us said they would. There is no single one group that deserves credit for that victory. But the margin of votes was with in single digit percentage. It wasn’t moving a mountain.
I’m not here to accuse you of being happy with the outcome. But can you admit that you might have been taken advantage of. That your sincere Ernest desire to see things fixed may have been manipulated and taken advantage of to your own detriment and the determent of people you care about. Because I can tell you 100% that fascists, leninists, and other groups absolutely we’re stirring the pot. Not caring about who got hurt.
I have no problem with anyone talking to them and trying to de program any of those groups. What I do have a problem with, are people repeating propaganda and being manipulated by these groups to get everyone hurt. We are here.
As an anarchist I wish to see all national parties disbanded and abolished. Democrat, republican, green, libertarian, vanguard. And you’re not wrong that a lot of this has been going on since and including FDR. He should have actually tried and hung everyone found guilty of being involved with the business plot. Instead of making backroom deals to get Social Security Etc passed. Something which the people he spared set about immediately after it’s passage, gutting it.
The sad thing is, that Democrats deny their role in the failure, just as many of the so-called people on the left who spent so much time attacking them. But as they say success has many fathers, while failure is a bastard.
The sad thing is, that Democrats deny their role in the failure
Yes!!!
You’re only worried about the immediate future. Which, yes, is bad. But many refusing to vote for the DNC are doing so because they’re complicit in enabling this bullshit political atmosphere where people are so tired of bullshit politicians who do shit like break a record to “stand up to trump” and then vote to confirm his appointee. So they either give up on voting altogether or are willing to vote for a literal dictator and the DNC’s response is to fight harder against progressives than it does trump. Then in response to losing runs someone whose message is “nothing will fundamentally change.”
So, yeah, if people had completely abandoned the DNC like they should have, maybe we wouldn’t have ever seen it get this bad. But they’re happy with it this bad. They get to pretend they care and keep making money. So yeah, there are plenty of people who refuse to vote for them because they’re happily helping to destroy democracy. (Including suing to remove 3rd parties from ballots, yay!)
Are you implying that the kidnappings torture and persecution are only short-term? Do you not understand that we will have to win back our basic rights at this point. Not just for our immigrant friends and family, but all minorities? That seems a really obtuse and uninformed viewpoint. Which I’m hoping it’s just a misunderstanding on my part. And that that’s not your actual stance. This shit is serious and not short-term. We will be suffering this for Generations.
I mean unless you have some Surefire non-vanguardist radical action in your pocket or something.
Literally just said I know it’s bad. Not implying it isn’t. I’m saying the DNC has been actively working towards this even being possible for years. Because they only need to run hitler -$50. And they’re happy with that. They would rather lose to Trump than lose any money. And that’s why people stop voting. And that’s why Trump is fucking even possible.
I’m just fucking tired of people defending the DNC. They’re just as big of a part of the problem as republicans.
The voters are as much to blame as the dnc. Stop trying to push all the blame on to them. So which is it and be clear. Am i only concerned about short-term shit. Or is this shit meaningful and you’re just flip-flopping wildly. Twisting in the wind trying to pin everything on Democrats and nothing on you or anyone else like you.
And yet, the 3rd parties themselves don’t seem to do anything until the Presidential election year. If they were serious, they’d be out there now, putting up candidates in the much-easier-to-win midterms, talking about how they’re really different from the entrenched parties. They don’t. They only come out of the woodwork and put up spoiler candidates for President.
I get why people were saying not to talk about them during the election
But the Dems lost by such a large majority that even if every single third-party voter had voted for Harris, she would still have lost to Trump. So censoring us then wasn’t any better than censoring us now.
Non-voters cost the election, not third-party voters. People need to fucking stand up and stop sucking the Democrat Party teets. They don’t care about you any more than the Republican Party cares for you.
If everyone who is bitching about the Dem party threw their support behind a third party, then the Dems would finally realize that they need to change their ways.
Until then, Dems are just gonna keep losing.
Absolutely agreed. And I’m not sure the better alternative to Reddit is a “federated” platform where the mods highest priority seems to delete comments that call the Democrats what they are: nice Nazis.
Blue MAGA
Yet I keep hearing from y’all (world users) “wahhhhh we need to blindly back the Democrats” and “When the dems elect someone significantly more right than Kamala like Shapiro or Fetterman we need to blindly vote for them”.
Exactly! The time for third parties is between elections. 😜
Yep! Lemmy loves to complain about the Democratic party, but as soon as ya mention third-party, you’re banned from everywhere for being a troll. Or Lemmy’s other fav insults: Nazi and Fascist. They’ll even say we’re paid to talk about third parties.
At this point, Lemmy is getting what they deserve. They’ll lost next presidential election to if they don’t wake the fuck up. :)
Lemmy: The time has come for a new third party! One made up of honest working class people, with infinity time and money between elections to campaign starting now. Oh also you need to go from 0% to 51% in one election cycle or just scrap the whole thing.
Yep, exactly this! lmao
Guillotine Party. A Democratic version of the Tea Party. Don’t promote a third party; replace the current one from the inside out.
Promote electoral reform. Something we can do one state at a time.
Its not electoral reform or state action that we need. Its the DNC. Their policies and positions support the billionaire Problem Class. The Guillotine Party needs to decapitate the billionaire class and their political lapdogs in the Democratic party.
The funny part is that this is an actual centrist position: there is broad bipartisan support for attacking the oligarchs. If the Democrats would actually go after them, the GOP would have to do the same. We would end up with two parties focused on class warfare instead of none.
When have people (outside isolated trolls) accused 3rd-party advocates of being shills? If the “Tanky Triad” only supported an end to “first-past-the-post” voting, that would be one thing. But when I visit, I’m inundated with propaganda championing fascists who want to ignore reality and bend the population to their will. That’s not liberalism, and it’s certainly not Progressive Politics…
When have people (outside isolated trolls) accused 3rd-party advocates of being shills?
Take a look at some older posts from before the election. It was a fucking witchhunt on third-party advocates. Every single one was accused of being a paid russian shill. Every. Single. One. lol
When I am accused of such things, I tend to doxx myself as Yevgeny Prigozhin. Claiming to be a primary source within Wagner has its uses.
I’m not even sure if you’re joking or not, but you do know he’s dead, right?Edit: Nvm, you’re joking.
Ha! I forgot about that dude! He was in the news a lot back in they day!
Of course. It is a closely guarded Russian secret that I escaped by parachute. The mighty Putin went through great effort to fake my death.
That’s how extreme some Lemmy’s were for sure! lol
some older posts
Do you have some examples? Like I said, all I experienced was disingenuous comments.
EDIT: My bad, I thought we were talking about people (plural) advocating against 3rd-party candidates in general. I still haven’t seen that. But yeah, Jill Stein is sus as fuck. You’re allowed to think otherwise, but pointing that out doesn’t make someone a shill.
Just type in “Jill Stein,” or “Green Party” in the search function, and pick c/politics from the months before November. That’ll be enough, because in those threads, even talks of other third parties, were madly downvoted and people were banned left and right. lol
That’s also why the other poster commented on it. Even in this very thread you see a lot of people bitching about third parties. But it’s way more acceptable to talk about it now than it was then. It was fucking crazytown here before the election! lmao
So… Still no sources. Not one…
EDIT: If you don’t think Jill Stein is a Russian asset after reading all the credible allegations, I don’t know what to tell you. Of course you’re allowed your opinion, but that’s still not evidence of people saying 3rd-party candidates in general are bad.
What? Did you even do that?
https://feddit.org/post/2903837
https://feddit.org/post/3522938
https://feddit.org/post/3041220
And that’s just a light start. Those comments were tame. The closer it got to the election, the more rabid people got if they found out u were voting third party.
I know dude, I was there. Back then, term “Russian shill” was used as much as “Nazi” and “Fascist” is now. Even the Dems here will probably admit things were heated. It was crazy how much mistrust and accusations where flying around. Russian shills, propaganda, bots, lots of people were accusing lots of people being those things.
Seriously, just look around at the threads in those time periods, besides the ones I posted. It was fucking crazy. You can even ask the mods here. They even mentioned how difficult it was modding things.
They even locked several posts down because the comments were getting too crazy.
Aside from Jill Fucking Stein, I still don’t see evidence that wide swaths of people were advocating against 3rd parties in general. Yeah, there are definitely credible allegations against her, and both Putin and the GOP absolutely took advantage of her spoiler status in the election. Maybe you think she sat at the table with Putin himself without knowledge of him using her?
https://beehaw.org/post/19739290 sorry, I originally thought your comment was itt. ^
