biggest employer in many states btw, it’s like they want the economy to crash
Well you’re welcome in Canada where you’re still considered an essential service, which absolutely has “professional” all over it.
Hell, Canada NEEDS medical professionals
It’s an attack on women. Nursing has historically been one of the only accepted paths for women to make a living wage. It’s an equivalent wage to the construction or police profession that is typically male dominated. I expect to see a lot of attacks on women’s ability to be self sufficient in the coming years. Subjugation and forced birth is the goal.
Awesome! Just as I was going to start nursing school next year. This could not be better news!! 😭
Come to Canada eh?
Actually not sure how I feel about that. They simply classified it for the same caps on student loans as the rest of us, rather than the higher one for roles like doctors.
Both caps are bad, for all of us. Our college education rates are already far too low, and now we’re trying to make them lower?
But I guess I assumed a nurse’s education was similar to a four year degree, although I don’t know. Is it not? The nurse they quoted claimed 15 years of college: surely that can’t be normal. Isn’t that more than doctors get?
The nurse they quoted claimed 15 years of college
15 years of experience, it seems, and since I’m pretty sure most nurses aren’t in a union, what do you want to bet her wages/cost of living ratio actually went down over those 15 years. A relative of mine is in the same business of IV hydration, and it’s definitely because the potential money is way better than her other options.
There’s a difference between an LPN, an RN, etc. Some nurses do have doctorates, which yeah, might be about the same amount of education that a doctor typically gets.
There’s a perception that nurses are “lesser” than doctors - but nursing is fundamentally a different skill set.
LVN takes about two years, RN 4, and BSN another year after RN.
Nurses are the ones delivering the majority of your care, while doctors either diagnose you or are surgeons of some sort.
To sum this up, it’s another attack on healthcare. Do you want uneducated nurses taking care of you every needs? Because nurses are all you’ve got, doctors don’t lift a fucking finger doing bedside work.
Think you’re a little mixed up with your time lines :). ADN is a 2 year degree. BSN is a 4 year degree. RN is a license, no specific timeline (other than having to obtain ADN or BSN to be eligible to sit for the NCLEX).
But seriously though…. Thank god we don’t have that genocide suportin’ Kamala tho, right?
/s
“They’re the same!” 🙄
Right. BOTH SIDES!
Normalizing and celebrating Genocide, calling nurses not professional ⚖️
Fuck, you’re right. Establishing genocide as the norm fully supported and celebrated by Democrats is the better option in this scenario. Fuck Palestinian children, let them die horrible deaths as long as your nurses don’t get called unprofessional by Trump. This is the worst timeline, not the one where liberals deep throat genocide while pretending to care about others in the same breath.
You’re a bad person, and you should feel bad.
Man, if you people ever lost the ability to rewrite other people’s words, you never have an argument to call your own!
I’d imagine I could probably say anything here and you’ll just make up whatever you feel you need to keep things going, right??
I suppose it’ll be fun in a way to watch you argue with yourself.
When the MAGA shit stains visit the ER, I hope the first nurse they see is a full blown liberal.
Why do you want them to have qualified care?
They gonna get saline instead of actual meds. Patient is gonna hobble out cause the lib nurse is gonna poison them with covid boosters and Tylenol.
MAGA is the easiest crowd to be a nurse and care for. “Here’s your ivermectin and bootstraps to pull yourself up by.” Problem solved. If they can’t get better with either hard work or horse pills then they aren’t fit to survive…
As for the rest of us, I’m keeping my dope ass mRNA vaccines thank you very much.
Agreed, but lets be real, none of them would ever set foot in a publicly available health institution. All high-end private care for the rich while we get to pay out the nose for band-aids and autism tablets.
So it’s better than that now right? Right??
Fellas, is it good when I stop funding nursing education in the middle of a nurse shortage
They want to reduce the needed learning so they can pay people less to do the same job but pass it off as some streamlining process to address shortages. They’re still going to charge the same for care but pay less to those who provide it.
Taking an actual problem and looking to address it from a capitalist view point so that line always goes up.
They want us to die. Nothing they’ve demonstrated has shown anything but a deep, willful satisfaction in making American citizens suffer and a desire to kill off anyone who isn’t a member of the administration.
Just as good as deporting immigrant truckers during a ongoing trucker shortage. Big brains in the White House, clearly.
Is it good when i, a crumbling octogenarian vote away all the systems keeping me tethered to this mortal form?
Making nursing school less affordable will affect the number of nurses in like 4? 6? Years. You as an octogenarian may not expect to need care that far in the future
That’s fine. I’ll ask my wife and her friends, a mix of NPs, PAs, and RNs, if they recognize the current administration as professional.
Answer will be no and they can kick rocks.
My partner is a nurse here in the Northeast. Unfortunately a lot of her coworkers are Trumpies.
Most of them are practically disengaged from politics and only follow their (male) partner’s political beliefs. If they’re from one of the surrounding rural (white and low income) areas, the chances they’re like this are higher. Not shockingly, a fair amount of their partners are cops.
It’s strange and disheartening to hear about nurses she works with who flaunt that they won’t get the covid vaccine, who denigrate patients with substance abuse disorder, who verbalize that they would rather not treat a trans person, and who treat black and brown folks like a different species. But it’s definitely a trend in nursing culture up here.
Its especially difficult for my partner who chose this path in large part because of her acute sense of empathy. The state of healthcare is just bad here.
slams buzzer ER nurse.
No no, see, they’re part of the demographic that’s predestined for success because this is their country, so it’ll all work out for them, no matter how many things this administration does to strip them of their title, success, income, benefits, rights, and dignity.
Nurse Practitioners, Pennsylvanias, and Registered Nurses? 🤔
No Pants, Partially Attired, and Rarely Nude
So basically most female Wimbledon contestants?
And males, if I’m reading the rules right. Yumminess everywhere. I wonder if any of those players get kinky with rackets… probably not, but it’s a fun little thing to imagine.
I assume they mean physicians assistant
It’s also targeting fields that are usually a majority of women on top of the access.
I want to stop being surprised but I can’t imagine the sheer depth of inhumanity and monstrosity of these people, and I am someone who grew up with a lifelong hatred of Nazis and their mythic-levels of cruelty.
Amateur Degree. Gotta go full doctor if you wanna be pro.
/s, right?
Obviously
“The department determined that the following programs were professional: medicine, pharmacy, dentistry, optometry, law, veterinary medicine, osteopathic medicine, podiatry, chiropractic, theology and clinical psychology. This meant that physician assistants, nurse practitioners, physical therapists and audiologist were excluded from the list.”
Theology and clinical psychology? I didn’t even know that was a career choice, let alone one I could take out a $200,000 loan for.
lol chiropractor and theology are professionals.
Quacklifications by a quack administration
Clinical psychologists are PhD level therapists and are very good at what they do generally
I think they were pointing out the lack of an Oxford comma, which makes “theology and clinical psychology” seem like one thing instead of two.
Oh you right, my b
Both are based on holy books with no measurable scientific basis, so I guess it tracks.
Butthurt by the subjectivity of life, this one
Is that in the DSM?
Lemme guess, schizophrenia isn’t real, huh
That would be treated by a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.
So my eyes, teeth, and soul need professional care, but not my ears? Wild.
You’ll notice most of those that “aren’t professional” have a high rate of poor people going into those programs. This is the administration trying to kill upward mobility entirely.
Time to move to Canada!
This is misgovernance in the extreme, but the following is not the best quote to support that point, emphasis mine:
One nurse posted through the IVs By The Seas TikTok account, a clinic offering mobile IV hydration and aesthetic services in New Jersey: “10 years of schooling… $210k in student loan debt… 15 years of ER and Trauma experience which included preventing physicians from making error at 3 a.m. and now.… my degree isn’t considered a professional degree. Cool.”
It’s cool that they have a nurse doing that, but hangover cures and spa treatments don’t seem like a great use for those ten years of schooling (now, the ER and trauma experience is obviously valuable). No shade to her, and I completely understand that an entire career working as an ER and trauma nurse would be demoralizing, but this is a perfect snippet for people who support rolling reimbursement back to quote to show that it’s not really needed.
