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Federal agents briefly detained our reporter at the scene, who says he was tackled to the ground and had a gun put in his face.
We all may feel some impulse to act, even violently, but have a great feeling of uncertainty because there are no leaders. We need direction based off of game theory, or something. We need strategies that are surgical, because be real — we are outgunned. Yes, there are gun owners on the left, but come on, you know who has the lion’s share. Not only that, but we are different in that we hesitate to harm, because it’s the last thing we want. My dad kills animals for pleasure, but I do not. Also, if you aren’t armed now, you better do so immediately, because the gun nuts are not going to blink an eye when we are inevitably denied access.
We need real strategy. Daggers in a select few hearts may be enough to shift things.
Are there organizations or groups that do this? They would have to do it in secret, so how could we know? So it seems we’d have to assume we couldn’t know and form our own? Honestly, please clue me in!
I mean that’s what they hoping you would do. I suspect they do this violence because they want to spark civil war and declare martial law.
But if possible, best is to wait until like November as the gonna lose senate and Congress.
But then again . Dems are corrupt assholes and won’t do much
A mix of guerilla tactics and economic warfare (primarily strikes) and sabotage and etc ought to get it done!
You don’t have to watch the videos.
You’re going to watch a man getting killed. That’s not good for your mental health. You can just take a pass here and not watch. Your watching the video is probably not going to help in any way, and it might hurt you. So, just think about your own needs before you traumatize yourself for no reason.
Everyone should watch the video. Ignorance is not, in fact, bliss. That man was murdered by our government because he dared to protect his fellow citizens. No one can appreciate how egregious that killing was until they see it in living color.
Hiding from the truth because the truth is hard, is no way to live. We should all know what it happening. It will effect us all sooner than we think.
It’s not ignorance to spare yourself the trauma of watching someone die. You can know what happened without having to watch it yourself.
No, we NEED to be traumatized by this. We need to feel the visceral outrage that it takes to absolutely demand justice, OR ELSE! and mean it.
If you want to get traumatized, you do you.
Did you personally watch the video?
Of course not, I’m not going to traumatize myself unnecessarily.
We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!
If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.
So if I can shoot rabbits… Then I can shoot fascists?
It’s your duty as a human. Think of it as pest control.
These are the “Life is so precious” people. Fucking losers, hypocrites and Nazis. I am up for the firing squad when this ends. We can’t allow such evil to continue. Anyone else with me?
I was for long prison sentences, but those that issued these orders, and those that enthusiastically carried them out, should be executed. These are your fellow citizens, there should NEVER be a situation that you are firing on your own citizens for any reason.
Killing ICE Officers now seems like a moral good. They’ll kill you first. Well, they’ll disarm you first, then summarily execute you.
Acting in defense of others is a legitimate defense. When ICE comes to town, people are going to unlawfully die at their hands. Stopping them before they can murder more innocent, unarmed citizens is the civic thing to do.
It is, but actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military. That war may well happen even if we dont go around killing ICE, but letting them start it for no reason at all will mean more support on our side, and better odds.
This doesn’t mean you can’t use force in self-defense, or to stop a massacre, but it does mean that just up and killing them isn’t strategically a good move at this time
actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military.
As opposed to the one-sided shooting-war ICE is engaged in against the people?
Your point is very valid.
However, personally (and kinda anecdotally), I doubt the US military would EVER side with ICE.
There’s an unspoken heirarchy within those that serve in police, fire, EMD, and military services. Many of them actually have overlapping skill sets and training requirements. Meaning many military end up as officers or EMD’s. Or officers turnover to fire (there’s literal waiting lists to get into fire departments filled with ex-LE officers.)
The point is, this heirarchy is always determined by the amount of training necessary to hold each position. Usually with EMD and Military near the top in terms of total training needed, both physically, mentally, and practically. Below that is police and fire, both requiring weeks or months of training a year, and each placing large and permanant physical and mental demands on those that manage to complete the training. Both groups usually look up with respect to EMD and Military. If not for their training, but more for the fact that EMD’s have saved officer and fire fighter lives many many times. So theirs a respect that runs very deep between all these people who choose such demanding careers.
Especially the ones willing to put themselves through literal hell training just to possibly save lives. I cannot place enough emphasis on the possibly part. Because you have to get used to death in these jobs.
ICE training is less than 47 days.
Few if any in LE or FIRE respect them. Mostly because most ICE are rejected from their programs for failing training. So they are very much seen as a failure to ALL of these groups, placed in the subbasement of this heirarchy at best. Especially by the military, who have far more training requirements, yet now all earn far less than anyone dumb enough to join ICE.
The people who’ve dedicated themselves to just having a chance to save a life, do not respect those that on a whim one month decided to cosplay as someone that’s “protecting” others. They’re an insult to pretty much anyone that actually does the job ICE barely pretends to.
I VERY sincerely doubt anyone in the Military would be willing to protect a group of untrained cosplayers who all very likely failed to learn how to protect themselves. If anything, the human corpses ICE is unnecessarily creating very much frames them as the bad guy to ALL the people whose job it is to actually prevent corpses from happening.
They do not have friends willing to join them. They are nothing but a national embarrassment to anyone that could.
Excellent post. I also believe that when it comes right down to it, the military is NOT going to back Trump’s worst instincts. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he backed down from his Greenland demands because his own military told him that they would refuse to fire upon our NATO allies.
I want to highlight this:
ICE training is less than 47 days.
ICE training is exactly 47 days. Why? To honor the 47th president. Seriously.
ICE training wasn’t a carefully considered program that happened to last 47 days. Some sycophantic loser CHOSE that number because he knew Daddy would hear about it and be pleased for a few seconds. This is the kind of thinking that is managing our nation.
letting them start it for no reason
By the blood in the streets, it looks like they already have
killing them isn’t strategically a good move at this time
Tell that to Renee Good or the guy they just disarmed and executed.
Numbers go brr.
One of the other comments here joked about a gofundme. Should there be or is there some crowdfunding service to help fund the general strike?
That would have to be huge
Would probably get more people on board if there was a strike fund.
Fucking hell.
This was an execution.
Where them 2A boys at?
They are the ones behind the masks doing the murdering.
Exactly. Just look at the social media accounts of people who are pro-2A. They’ve suddenly found themselves in a boot licking contest.
Tired of hearing this. Pick up a gun yourself and prepare to defend your neighbors and yourself.
THE 2A IS FOR EVERYONE, PASS IT ON.
8 against 1 …
Plot twist: Wasn’t even an immigrant. Was a tall handsome white male VA nurse. That man was worth more than all the men in ICE.
Watch the video.
It’s tough, because it’s literally a video of a murder.
But we all have to watch it.
3-4 Icicles at holding a man down and beating him, one of them lets off a single shot that instantly makes their victim go limp. Then 2-3 other icicles all draw and fire multiple shots into the body while the rest scatter.
Shit isn’t getting better and complying doesn’t work.
This is why I’m saying we need to get even more violent in retaliation.
People can downvote me all you want, but you know I’m right. It’s literally the only thing these actual monkey-brains understand: violence.
If there’s 4 of them beating and killing one person, there needs to be at least 10 of us with knives and aluminum bats hitting right back. We need to mix up our own chemical warfare agents.
there needs to be at least 10 of us with knives and aluminum bats hitting right back.
No, because that will make them open fire…
What will work is protesters in plated vests with rifles.
Every state is different. For Minnesota it’s illegal to open carry a rifle, and there’s no permit to open carry a rifle. But if you get a permit to carry a handgun, you’re now allowed to carry a rifle.
The threat of effective violence is more effective than the actual act of ineffective violence, even when the threat is just passively implied by the presence of rifles and plates.
It costs less than a grand to get kitted out just like an ICE agent, hell, most of them don’t even seem to carry rifles, but all the more reason for protesters.
The Black Panthers seem to understand what it’s gonna take to deter Miller’s stormtroopers. Superior firepower.
Protesters should assign disciplined guardians: Kitted out, and watching from rooftops and windows.
These terrorist cowards might come to understand the words “constitutional oversight” when they break RoE and are gravely punished from above in return.
Show up alone, you get arrested. Show up with 100 people, you get shot. We need to show up with 100,000+ people.
Organize! Join an organization! DSA, PSL, something anything!
What you do is break that 100k up into 100 separate 1000 person marches. That then also spreads out the Feds and makes it basically impossible for them to round everyone up.
Pretty sure they did have 100k+ people yesterday at least. Maybe not yet this early, but 100k people does not mean much when the organized violent thugs just wait until they can find people away from the large crowds and murder them on the street.
I see one person in this video. Imagine if there was 100,000.
There was. And then they left ICE intact, which then found a spot the next morning with maybe a dozen or people and did a murder.
maybe a dozen people
I think you’re missing my entire point.
What is it then? 100k+ people should exist 24/7 around the entire nation on each block?
Other people who read the news are not idiots and do not need this thinking outlined for them, it does nobody besides feds trying to make bullshit arrests for terroristic threats any good to share these thoughts on public forums
Implying the feds aren’t running a troll farm to incite people.
we need to get even more violent in retaliation.
That’s how you lose.
That’s what they want.
Right now two white people getting killed by ICE in broad daylight with dozens of cameras on them is slowly but surely destroying the GOP. There’s nothing that shifts public opinion more than a clear narrative of “good guys” and “bad guys”. When one side is armed and the other side is unarmed, and the armed people are killing unarmed people, there are clear good guys and bad guys. The white house is doing everything they can to spin the Minneapolis victims as “terrorists”, but when they’re unarmed it’s a matter of seconds to disprove what they’re saying.
As soon as the anti-ICE protesters start getting armed and start shooting back, the story gets complicated again. It becomes much easier to claim the protesters are violent if they’re shooting back. It’s dead easy to claim an ICE goon feared for his life if someone shot at him.
“They’re shooting at ICE” gives Trump the excuse he needs to send in the military and start having guys in APCs start shooting heavy weapons into a crowd. It’s also much more likely the soldiers are going to obey if they’re getting shot at. If they’re sent in against unarmed protesters and ordered to mow them down, it’s very likely they’ll refuse that order. And, refusing that order would be a big step in the end of the Trump regime.
Not shooting back is the main thing that the Minneapolis protesters have done right so far. It’s also the most difficult thing to do.
But hey, it’s America. America thinks guns solve problems. So, go solve that problem Americanely, while the rest of the world just watches the US tear itself apart and shakes their heads.
I just don’t want our guys to get hurt.
Don’t make a stand in a blaze of glory. The goal should be to make sure nobody knows who did it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/m1xOMR7R4q8
The video
Grabbed this from a lower comment, should be attached to the top comment.
But we all have to watch it.
Repeating for emphasis. Official stories are already being posted that are blatantly not what happened. There will be some portion of the population that believes the lies they’re told. It’s powerful for your own sanity to be able to know with certainty that you’re being fed bullshit because you remember seeing it with your own eyes.
I’m about to watch the video, but just want to state my thoughts after reading the article:
Video shows several agents wrestling the man to the ground and shooting him multiple times
This is the only information the article states. Their passive language suggests to me the sequence of actions is unclear, but probably that while wrestling him, he was shot before being fully restrained
Now to watch the video and find out if the wording is propaganda
I watched it multiple times and they just executed that guy. They just unloaded the entire clip into the body. Fucking hell that’s just gruesome.
At some point for these highly insecure “warrior alpha” types: “stopping the threat” just turns into jacking off with excitement.
I’m trying really hard to see how this could be anything else than a straight up execution. It’s hard to see any way that dude could be threatening the life of anyone here. He’s shot on his knees with his hands down looking away from the shooter (granted the footage we have here it’s kind of hard to tell just cause there’s so many people). There’s footage of him talking to the agents before just holding his phone to record and then they start shoving him. There’s also 8 bajillion agents beating the shit out of him right before. The woman’s footage from the other side of this will show a ton if she was recording.
Anyways, I look forward to hearing how this heroic agent saved the lives of all his fellow warriors during this altercation. Hope the agent recovers from the assault safely and quickly in the hospital…
Her footage (NSFW)
From this it seems more obvious to me that they saw a gun on him (I think I hear the agents shout ‘gun’) and they panicked and shot. Lack of training and discipline. Just horrific.Why they unloaded the rest of the mag when he was clearly incapacitated I don’t know. Total lack of respect for human life.
This is outrageous, and there should be swift justice.
The mag dumping was so egregious.
3-4 is a generous underestimate.
Can you provide a link?
I couldn’t find it.
Link?
EDIT: Nwvermind. It had been pushed further down the thread.
I disagree about everyone having to watch it.
I am capable of believing you, others that have seen the footage, and the reports coming out about what’s happened here. Seeing the act in full detail isn’t going to strengthen my resolve against ICE, nor make me more empathetic to this man or his family.
This is all barbaric, and while I similarly don’t think it’s getting any better, I don’t have to watch a recording of the last moment of this man’s life to know he was murdered, just as you don’t have to go see his corpse in the morgue to know the same.
No.
You need the visceral emotional reaction.
That’s definitely than logically understanding the abstract concept they murdered someone. That’s not new, but what happens in this video is new. It crosses the line in an inexplicable fashion and either enough people see it happen once in this video all at the same time, then we all wait to see it individually in person
With respect, don’t tell me what I need based on what you need.
I don’t need to see a thing to have an emotional reaction to it. I am not a child lacking object permanence.
Being able to watch a dozen different angles of a person’s death in high definition isn’t necessary for everybody. Most murders have no footage, and empathy can still be experienced for them. Surely you also run the emotional gambit when you read of a school shooting, whether or not there is footage of the carnage, don’t you?
With respect, don’t tell me what I need based on what you need
You don’t understand any of this, but if you were polite and asked questions I would have explained it and you’d have walked away from this with more knowledge than you had now.
Think about who really lost in this exchange
Who really lost? You perceive this back and forth as something that can be won or lost? Both you and I are arguing semantics from behind screens, not out risking our life and limb. There are no winners here.
You do though, because one the authorities start spinning their lies, there will be an element of doubt in everyone who has not seen this video.
An element of doubt? I can think critically. Can you not? The default thought hasn’t been ‘trust the authories’ for quite a while now. Rather the opposite.
If you hear two conflicting stories, without witnessing for yourself, there will always be an element of doubt. I’m not saying trust the authoritys, and I don’t know where you got that from. I’m saying you shouldn’t blindly believe what anyone says.
I got it from the comment you wrote.
because one the authorities start spinning their lies
I haven’t suggested anything about blindly believing a singular source. My point is that a video source isn’t necessary for everyone.
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Let’s break this down more.
If we choose to believe he had a gun so what? You are legally allowed to carry a gun in this country. The presence of a gun is not a legal excuse to murder a person.
Even if he had a gun he was being actively held down by several members of ICE. I don’t see how he could have drawn a weapon in that position. Regardless once they started beating him while he was on the ground he had every right to use deadly force to defend himself.
So even if you believe what DHS has to say the video shows there is no scenario where the mere presence of a gun justifies their actions
I’m sure these guys keep spare guns just for these kinds of occasions.
Watch the video again.
Tan beanie greenish coat guy pulls out a pistol and starts pistol whipping the guy.
Grey coat sees this, and nopes the fuck out.
Tan beanie stops pistol whipping him, readjusts his grip…
Then his hand is block in the video and a single shot rings out, causing everyone else to flea before shooting the body.
It really really looks like this guy just decides to escalate from pistol whipping a restrained and subdued man to shooting him in the head while multiple other people who didn’t know what was going on held the victim down.
This is just inexplicably fucked.
It wasn’t a pistol, it was a can of bear spray. Still horrible and not at all necessary, and no worse/better than a pistol imo. Just mentioning for clarification.
A valid question but more likely that they dropped a gun, on purpose or by incompetence, then they freaked and murdered the guy.
Fucking piece of shit fascist
I have no words. I am literally speechless at what is currently happening in the US. I have to force myself to have words and they are all a mixture of vengeance and justice. Like… holly fuck.
There is still a long way to go. A long way to go. But after all this is said and done, if there is an after, I hope you never forget these pieces of shit. I hope you force whomever comes next to hand you these people. They do not deserve jail, they deserve justice as given from the community. They are evil behind comprehension. Seems like you cannot give an inch to the right, as they will let their evilness take over and go after everyone, mercilessly.
I hope there is good work being done on identifying and preserving whoever these evil pieces of shit, motherfuckers, morons, idiots, pedophiles, are. And when this is all done, you fucking drive all of them out of society.
Pieces of shit motherfuckers.
To my American brothers, I am truly sorry for what is happening. I don’t know the right thing to say. I want to motivate you to do what needs to be done, but at the same time, I am fully aware that it is hard.
Here is the video. There is no justification for this shooting.
That makes me sick to my stomach.
The sanctity of a human life has lost all meaning if it can be violated so casually without consequences…
This pot’s about to boil over. It won’t be long now…
Frogs sitting in said pot: this is fine
Hey man, if I could leap out of the pot, I would…
The ones that leave, get to have a future.
I can’t find the interview now or remember who it was with because of my brainrot but roughly than six months ago this woman was saying in no uncertain terms things will get progressively darker and more violent. And I’ve thought of that when every one of these moments has arisen. She was speaking more to the need of a parent whose health premiums quadrupled and SNAP benefits were cut having to care for and feed a sick child and what that might do to their anger and willingness to go do something against the elements foisting this upon them, but of course we never can predict what the precise hinge point moments are going to be during turbulent times. We just knew they were coming. And now they are. And will continue.
“And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
Watched video a dozen times looking for a weapon near or on the person shot. Just couldn’t imagine how to justify this otherwise.
I see a water bottle hit the ground early in the video but that’s it. Clear hands and wasteband from what I can see so far.
I’d love to be wrong.
It’s like that one video with the cop dropping to the ground doing barrel rolls and shouting shots fired, when an acorn fell and hit the roof of a car.
Bunch of untrained morons.
It would’t matter if he was strapped with a .45 brother, that’s a right we have right after speech. They’re in the wrong here, this was MURDER. It was not even an execution. Execution implies you know it’s coming.
From what I understand, the water bottle was a mace canister. Some reports were saying the guy was reaching for it to use as a weapon but I don’t see that. It is then kicked away. Also, pay attention to the agent in the gray jacket. He walks up a bit late, and disarms the victim by pulling the (holstered) pistol from his waistband. He then runs away holding the weapon as the victim is shot. Like a dozen times.
President gyna neck and v.p. permaliner: “Don’t worry, we’ll just make something up.”
Since the legal system will not bring justice to these murderers, it’s up to heroes to do it instead.
Jury Nullification
Juries don’t seem to come into play often in ICE. If the ICE officer would be the one on trial, the trial will never happen. If it’s an ICE target, they’ll either be dead or deported. I suppose there was attack with a deli weapon guy, but opportunities for a Jury to make a difference are slim…
Is there a GoFundMe set up for Batman?
Yeah… where are our beekeepers?
they executed this man. they beat him to the ground, pistol whipped him, and then shot him WHILE HE WAS PRONE AND LAYING DOWN.
Americans, for fucks sake, on the other site I’d be perma banned for suggesting what you know I’m going to suggest but you guys REALLY need to utilize that 2nd amendment you hold so dear. They are literally NOW executing you and to those that STILL believe “it won’t happen to me or my family” you’re wrong, it will and it currently is.
The only GOOD Nazi is a DEAD one.
The only GOOD Nazi is a DEAD one.
The Greatest Generation understood this at great cost, and after that bloody sacrifice our leaders quietly pardoned and installed the wretched and vile filth into influential positions anyway, sugarcoating their twisted ideology with a shiny star-spangled finish and telling us freedom had won the day.
Would our great grandfathers still have charged those beaches if they could see how “great” their country has become today?
We disappoint their memory at our peril.
No 2a response. This requires organization by competent people with military training in coordination with state government. Where this is going is obvious now. Citizens need to keep on with nonviolent protests and hope to hell there are retired generals out there willing step up and plan and implement what’s needed.
Ironically this is literally the “well armed militia” part of the second amendment that conservatives seem to ignore. Some were concerned that the federal government could simply use military force to undermine state sovereignty, so they enshrined the ability for the states to regulate militias independent of the federal government.
The fascists have spent decades eroding this right by pushing the idea that the amendment is about self defense of the individual, which is a much less of a threat to their fascist aspirations. Now we see the ultimate conclusion of this ideological trojan horse - the “second amendment crowd” is enthusiastically embracing fascism, while the states are powerless to push back.
Walz should be using the activated MN National Guard to arrest the ICE fucker who executed a MN resident and to cordon DHS personnel to their federal buildings, denying them the ability to leave the wire to go out on CP’s. Instead he’s staging them against the MN residents protesting. Fucking bullshit.
Uhm 8 against 1, you can call that an execution.
They also blinded him with pepper spray and disarmed him just prior to shooting him 🙃
The close up from the woman standing right there:
Ohh, I think I see what happened. The up close angle makes it clear that “dangerous” man was trying to assist two unarmed women who were being assaulted by federal fascists after they made the fatal mistake of… maybe saying something mean (? I guess) and trying to walk away.
I guess Americans should really know better than to try and deescalate when fascists are in the middle of having such a fucking ball assaulting their neighbors
Note to all the “white knights” out there (not the ones who traded their hoods and crosses for a government issued mask and gun, just the ones that respect women): be careful not to cross the sexually frustrated terrorists when they’re out there working through their issues with women. They’ve been training their whole lives for the day somebody would actually pay them to put a woman in her place when she gets a little too sassy. It’s not fair for you to spoil it for them. /s
So basically the opening scene of V for Vandetta, but the guy wasn’t V
I’ve never actually seen the movie, but I’m pretty sure every ICE agent is the guy who (somehow) believes they’re the Guy Fawkes in this situation.
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