During Tuesday’s hearing, Gabbard told Warner that the Signal thread didn’t share any classified information but refused to share its contents, or even admit that she was on the chain.
“If it’s not classified, share the texts now,” Warner told Gabbard. “Share it with the committee. You can’t have it both ways. These are important jobs. This is our national security.”
Bitch, we can smell the bullshit 500 miles away.
Oh, are we “shredding” instead of “slamming” now? An even better idea: acting on it
She followed Trumps trick and unclassified it with her brain which is why she said that
“Top democrats shout at wall.”
No one’s picking up the phone morons. It’s time for pitchforks.
Its funny because republicans clearly do not give a shit about the rules and will continue to do whatever they want. And the dems made little signs to show they are unhappy. All while murica has fallen!
The Committee can always ask The Atlantic for the transcripts. I have no doubts they will hand them over.
Does anyone else find it fucking disgusting that liberals are now mad that Trump is incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East?
No, it is never disgusting to be against genocide, even if you’re doing it for the wrong reasons.
TBF I think they’re saying liberals are only mad because Trump’s genocide is incompetent. Like, liberals aren’t mad about the actual content of the messages, they’re mad that Trump broke the law.
Funny they’re saying that because they weren’t being mad at the genocide themselves, either, or the people commiting it, they’re busy being mad at liberals instead.
Bit of yelling at themselves in the mirror there.
Does anyone find it disgusting that conservatives now AREN’T mad that Obama was incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East? (Because Trump is now doing the same?)
Personally, and morally, our anger should be towards the people NOT upset at Mass Murder, which as you have explained, isn’t liberals.
To be clear, yes, liberals turned a blind eye to this during Obama. But to your point, they aren’t now. Trump, instead, is murdering without care, and his base is celebrating it.
A blind eye isn’t the same as active support, and MAGA is actively supporting murder. While at worst, liberals still have blinders on.
Personally, I’m not going to spend any time chastising a lesser evil. But many did during our previous elections, which is how Trump got elected both times.
Harris + Isreal being a great recent example. Because no matter how bad Harris was, it’s not Trump turning Gaza into a night club.
What disgusting hate should we throw her way about Gaza now that it’s targeted for demolision by Trump?
At best, it’s wasteful to be so angry at liberals now. At worst, it’s stupid, and will keep the people you should be angry at in power to do worse things more frequently as it has for both of Trumps elections.
Does anyone find it disgusting that conservatives now AREN’T mad that Obama was incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East? (Because Trump is now doing the same?)
I mean hopefully?
To be clear, yes, liberals turned a blind eye to this during Obama. But to your point, they aren’t now. Trump, instead, is murdering without care, and his base is celebrating it.
That’s not what I’m talking about here. Of course the hypocrisy there is also ridiculous, but that’s not what I’m trying to say. My point is: Liberals seem to have more of a problem with the bad opsec than with the actual mass murder. As if competently murdering brown people in the hundreds is somehow better than incompetently murdering them. This is the reaction of people who are only marginally opposed to mass murder.
This is the reaction of people who are only marginally opposed to mass murder.
Understood.
My point: the world is slowly becoming overrun by people that are not opposed to mass murder at all.
So why should we spend any effort towards measuring what level we’re each opposed to mass murder, instead of actually opposing it while it’s happening?
It’s wasteful at best, and creates fractures in a needed united front against mass murdering corporate narcissists at worst.
Albeit a valid criticism of libs, it’s not productive towards solving any growing problem in any way. It is punching down on a group that Trump already has his boot on. Yet you’re enjoying the boot, and feel it’s earned, instead of aligning with the people it’s on who you clearly agree more with.
At the rate the US is going, there won’t be many libs left to laugh at once that boot is finished with them.
So I’ll save my criticism of their behavior after I know for sure they’ll still be around to criticize. Until then, anyone under that boot is my ally despite any political differences.
So why should we spend any effort towards measuring what level we’re each opposed to mass murder, instead of actually opposing it while it’s happening?
Mostly because I’m mad. I mean this is the Fediverse not a council meeting that will decide the fate of the Free World™, there’s nothing wrong with doing wasteful things. Also since I’m not American I’m not a member of the coalition you’re trying to build anyway.
It’s wasteful at best, and creates fractures in a needed united front against mass murdering corporate narcissists at worst.
That united front will never happen. Ideologically committed liberals will always side with fascists against leftists or try to win on their own; it’s just how they’re made. The
GestapoICE will be knocking on your door and they’ll still argue that a UBI is going too far and they can’t support your program. Don’t believe me? Look at what the Dem leadership is doing. Liberals simply don’t consider people to their left allies, but rather threats to their capitalist overlords. Not that that has anything to do with this conversation, but yeah.Yet you’re enjoying the boot, and feel it’s earned, instead of aligning with the people it’s on who you clearly agree more with.
Huh? I never said anything about any boots being earned.
… there’s nothing wrong with doing wasteful things.
Agreed.
But I prefer to live a productive life instead of a wasteful one.
Especially when wasting your life involves picking on a currently oppressed group instead of their oppressors. If your anger stems from liberals lack of empathy, you are certainly lacking it towards them now that they’re oppressed.
So if you want to waste your life being an angry hypocrite in this way, I will not stop you, but I will point it out.
And let me know where in the world you’re living if you feel you are currently safe from the Russia fueled right-wing populist hate machine. I’d gladly move there to escape the grip they are tightening on the world.
Especially considering how effectively they dismantled the US, have now weaponized their military (the largest in the world by several factors), and have publicly stated their interest to take over Canada, Greenland, and Panama.
If there’s a safe place on this planet that escapes their grasp, let me know, especially since you already feel:
…that united front will never happen.
Seeing as a united front is the only way this ends well for humanity instead of Oligarchs, I guess we’ll have to wait 4 years to find out if you’re just being wasteful, or dangerously naive.
But I prefer to live a productive life instead of a wasteful one.
Wow that’s dramatic.
Especially when wasting your life involves picking on a currently oppressed group instead of their oppressors. If your anger stems from liberals lack of empathy, you are certainly lacking it towards them now that they’re oppressed.
How is criticism a “lack of empathy”?
And let me know where in the world you’re living if you feel you are currently safe from the Russia fueled right-wing populist hate machine. I’d gladly move there to escape the grip they are tightening on the world.
Egypt and Japan, but I won’t recommend the former. Japan is run by a bunch of conservative fuckwats don’t get me wrong, but they’re Reagan-era fiscal responsibility conservative fuckwats, not ethnostate conservative fuckwats (probably because Japan is already an ethnostate, but likely also because Japan refuses to evolve beyond the 80s).
Seeing as a united front is the only way this ends well for humanity instead of Oligarchs,
It’s… not. Right now people will follow whoever promises to do things and then follows through on that promise. If liberals aren’t willing to be that (and they’re not), people will simply abandon liberals, but there must first be someone willing to publicly attack liberals and steal their base. This has happened before (see: 1917 Russia).
I guess we’ll have to wait 4 years to find out if you’re just being wasteful, or dangerously naive.
Wow that’s dramatic.
You literally admitteded to wanting to be wasteful. So it’s not dramatic to point out that over time, if all you do is wasteful things with your life, then it’s been a wasteful one. That’s how life works.
How is criticism a “lack of empathy”?
It’s not your criticism that lacks empathy, it’s your choice in who to criticise.
You’re taking the time to make your opinion public, and that time could be spent doing or saying anything else.
What you choose to say and do, is at the cost of what you could also be doing or saying with your time.
For example:
Libs choose not to say anything about drone strikes when it’s inconvenient.
Their choice to turn a blind eye, is why you feel they lack empathy.
The Right is attacking Democracy worldwide and has succeeded in taking over the US where they have recently enacted policies killing woman (abortion bans), incited LQBTQIA violence and murder, and readily exploit the elderly (antivax BS, removal of social security).
Recent estimates put preventable abortion deaths at 10,000 women a month in Texas alone, not to mention the GOP’s support of actual genocide in Isreal.
All of this, you have choosen to say nothing about. So just like the libs, it appears you’re turning a blind eye to it.
Because If you actually cared about those commiting mass murder, it stands to reason you would choose to express an opinion against the group doing it the most worldwide, instead of the group who has no power to do it any longer.
In choosing to be critical of libs for actions that others are doing worse on a far larger scale is what makes your opinion lack empathy. Because it quite literally could have more empathy if it was directed towards the larger group now doing all the mass murdering.
Libs don’t want to talk about drone strikes killing people (just the “terrorists” that do), and you don’t want to talk about the right killing people (just the “libs” that do).
From where I’m at, you both appear to be the same kind of hypocrite.
Egypt and Japan…
Both are already under Russia’s heel. Japan only recently.
Egypt gets 80% of their grain from Russia in exchange for guns. Russia has them by the balls and doesn’t need propaganda to influence their politics:
And Japan is one of the 11 Democracies found to be under attack through targeted election interference in this report:
Concerted Russian operations between 2020 and 2022 sought to “undermine public confidence in at least 11 elections across nine democracies, including the United States,” the report said, adding 17 others were targeted by “less pronounced” efforts.
So the mass murder people already have control of the Egyptian government, and are working on Japan.
And its working because:
Right now people will follow whoever promises to do things and then follows through on that promise.
This includes voting for people that don’t care about mass murder as long as they follow through on their other promises.
So all together, talking about how much you hate the Right and what they’re doing feels like an opinion you should have and be sharing if you truly cared about those who commit mass murder.
Libs are not in power in the US and very likely won’t have it in the same way ever again.
Do they suck? Yes.
But there’s bigger mass murders now that arguably warrant the same view you have of libs.
So why are you choosing to talk about the libs instead?
From my perspective, it looks like you just want to waste your time being angry at a lesser evil. Which if done over the course of your whole life, will unquestionably waste it.
cope harder, MAGA CHUD.
The hell?
you said:
Does anyone else find it fucking disgusting that liberals are now mad that Trump is incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East?
this is the absolute worst, least intelligent take someone could make about this situation.
It’s not as if “the left” wouldn’t be upset if they were competently bombing the Middle East. Musk/Trump will have their wars and we will be upset with those.
what i find disgusting, is when MAGA can’t seem to remember the endless campaign against Clinton over an email server, while this gets a shrug from the Presidents and a collective “this is not real!!” from the online MAGA legions.
It’s not as if “the left” wouldn’t be upset if they were competently bombing the Middle East. Musk/Trump will have their wars and we will be upset with those.
That’s definitely not the message I’m getting. Trump bombing Yemen gets an “oh well”, while leaking information that might gasp prevent him from bombing them as efficiently gets yelling and screeches. By the way liberals are center, not left. I am coming from the left to express my disgust at this shit.
Screeching? Ummm…you mad bro???
Yes, thanks for noticing.
That’s definitely not the message I’m getting.
You can’t hear the message if you’re not listening.
I am coming from the left
no, you aren’t. you voted jill stein and therefore, are MAGA. congrats 👍
The fuck? I’m not even from this damn country cut this shit out. You’ll call everyone you don’t like MAGA until you’re forced to line up and worship portraits of your Great Leader at gunpoint.
I’m not even from this damn country
oh even worse, cos playing as a foreigner to wag your finger at American leftists.
pound sand, your opinions hold no weight in this discussion.
This isn’t a team sport, these are people’s lives. What the hell is wrong with you?
Yes, these are people’s lives, and now everyone is mad that Trump is being incompetent about murdering those people. The only sane reaction to a dictator failing to massacre a population is happiness that he’s not competent about it. The reactions I’m seeing only imply that liberals are okay with the actual bombing and only mad that Trump is not following opsec. By the way I’m not MAGA; leftists hate liberals too.
I read that as the typical finger pointing, it’s only okay when our side commits the atrocity, thanks for clarifying.
No one is upset about the incompetence threatening our ability to murder Yemenis, they’re attacking them for being incompetent broadly. It could have been plans for arming Ukraine or where our spy satellites are looking and the reaction would be the same: “look at these incompetent MAGAs fucking up governing” with an extra glee at being able to tag it as “national security” that conservatives lean into so heavily.
And they weren’t incompetent at murder. The murders went through just fine, because very little of the actual operation was handled by this crowd of idiots and some combination of a US citizen being rightly scared of his government and assuming our murders are justified and should not be hindered.
None of this is to say liberals aren’t morally bankrupt about our well oiled murder machine, just that they’re not angry about the risk to the murder operation. They don’t care one way or another whether some Arabs got murdered. Haven’t before and don’t now.
just that they’re not angry about the risk to the murder operation. They don’t care one way or another whether some Arabs got murdered. Haven’t before and don’t now.
Yeah I know; that’s what I was trying to criticize here. They care so little that to them whether Trump goes about it competently or not is more important than the fact that the US military just killed 53 Yemenis. Notice that I said they’re okay with it, not that they like it. I guess what’s pissing me off is that the people here on the Fediverse were supposed to be (and certainly think of themselves as) better than that.
By the way I’m not MAGA; leftists hate liberals too.
Uniting around a shared hate of liberals is how the weird leftist/MAGA alliance happened.
It’s why leftists give MAGA a free pass on things like genocide.
That’s why you prioritize posting about randoms on social media you perceive to be liberals, and not the people dropping the actual bombs.
Uniting around a shared hate of liberals is how the weird leftist/MAGA alliance happened.
It’s why leftists give MAGA a free pass on things like genocide.
Most blueMAGA thing I’ve seen today, but just in case leftists don’t in fact give MAGA a pass on genocide. Gaza protests are going as strong as ever, and if anything most leftists (that I’ve seen around here) are unwilling to even entertain the idea of breaking with liberals.
Most blueMAGA thing I’ve seen today
You’re the most MAGA I’ve seen today, not that I’ve been online that much.
Gaza protests are going as strong as ever
From real activists, not a weird lemmy rando whose highest priority is beefing with liberals (actual or perceived), to prove what a “leftist” they are.
Umm. What? No. Seriously. Wtf mate?!?
I think mass murder is despicable. Considering the US government had engaged in large scale extra judicial killings for decades (whether red or blue, no fucking difference), my country disgusts me. But, are you legit saying doing so incompentently is the problem? Not the murder. The incompetence.
Touch grass, god damn weirdo.
But, are you legit saying doing so incompentently is the problem? Not the murder. The incompetence.
Uh… No? I’m mad that Americans seem to be more mad that the mass murder is being done incompetently than about the mass murder itself. It’s like competent mass murder is acceptable but bad ospec is not.
Well now I’m mad that you seem to be more mad about how people on social media react to bad opsec than the mass murder itself. It’s like mass murder is acceptable but reacting the wrong way to bad opsec is not.
You’re being disingenuous and you know it. In the context of mass murder, bad opsec is a good thing and not something to be mad at to begin with.
In this context, bad opsec is hilarious.
In a dark comedy way.
I’m being facetious, a little satire, at your expense, because the call is coming from inside the house.
I think most people find this worth a laugh to cope with the horror of the reality, but you only seem to take this as a reason to be bad at liberals.
I suspect anything that fascists do is for you a reason to be mad at liberals.
I suspect anything that fascists do is for you a reason to be mad at liberals.
To an extent yes, because who do you think let the fascists get in charge?
who do you think let the fascists get in charge?
Everybody?
Obviously, first responsibility for fascists taking control goes to the fascists.
Next would be anyone who allies themselves with fascist or helps attack the opposition to fascists.
Next would be anybody complacent, who watched and did nothing.
Last would be the people who opposed the fascists.
I cannot fathom how you arrive at such a conclusion. Like, I figure you know not to trust the “news” anymore; but, dude, don’t trust the media?
I’m not sure why you’re assuming I’m MAGA (or even remotely rightwing), but either way I’m not getting this from the news or any other media; I’m arriving at this conclusion from the reactions of people right here on the Fediverse. Like seriously, compare the outrage at the leak to the outrage (or lack thereof) when Trump announced he was back to bombing Yemen. Everyone has been angrily criticizing the Trump admin for being incompetent and I’ve only seen one person say anything about how that’s better than if they were competently murdering people on the other side of the world.
I don’t see it. There’s some pretty big jumps to get from a to b.
I don’t see it.
What? That liberals basically don’t care Trump is bombing Yemenis?
Ah-ha, the goalposts move.
No. The incompetence of those responsible is irrelevant.
I’m done, anyway…
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IANAL, but because this was done on a third party encrypted chat app, doesn’t it also violate the federal records act or something? If this was any other administration they would have been launched out of a cannon for that alone, not just the breach in security.
I anal too, but I think as long as they do submit the conversion to the record which they now still can if it didn’t self delete, then they’re covered. They can also declassify all of it and say “see?” like Trump did with the classified documents he stole for Mar a Lago.
Signal isn’t on an approved list, but the federal records act really just said there will be a council headed by an administrator or whatever to make rules and collect the records. So the current administrator, which could be a vacant seat or a MAGA Hat for all I know right now, would be in charge of this, and probably just hand it over to congress.
The messages were set to auto-delete after a week, which imo reduces the likelihood that the messages will be recorded.
Good thing there are screenshots by the reporter.
Yeah, but it’s evidence they weren’t going to be compliant and likely are not compliant in other places.
Also, I doubt it being recorded by a journalist is compliance either. The government needs to store it to be available later if needed.
But the guy in the chat with them immediately informed them that he’d been in there, which gave them time to act
Whoa whoa. You’re not a lawyer, or you anal. CONFESS!
No, not for top secret stuff. That needs to be taken to official, secure channels.
That’s why they’re using Signal. If this while thing collapses on them, they don’t want written records of their criminal conspiracies.
I’m not personally into the idea of ANAL, but I like how its simultaneously not classified info, and also they’ve forbidden the journalist from sharing it further …because its classified info.
I also ANAL. Those boys done fucked up but likely won’t see consequences.
“those boys done fucked up but”
Yes, this is ANAL
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This is the start of bullshit arguments intended to drown out any real conversation. It just gets worse from here.
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Nah, they just aren’t that smart.
Putin wins as usual. Dividing Europe is a Russian goal.
“Moscow has no interest in a divided Europe.” - Dmitry Peskov
Moscow would rather have an united Europe but one united in Russia’s interests, not America’s.
Putin wants NATO gone so he can nibble away at European territory, and he’s been open about that.
Putin wants NATO gone as it is an existential threat to Russia.
You really beleive what Russia says? What were they saying for years before they invaded Ukraine? Didnt they have a treaty saying they wouldnt invade if Ukraine gave up their nukes?
Didnt they have a treaty saying they wouldnt invade if Ukraine gave up their nukes?
The Budapest Memorandum? The ‘agreement’ that was broken when the US sanctioned Belarus in 2013 which was in violation of the agreement and America’s only response was that the Memorandum is “not legally binding” and this action made it null and void in its entirety? Lol.
Not that it matters as in 2014, the legitimate government of Ukraine was taken down in a coup where far right Neo-Nazi elements of the maidan movement shot their own protestors in a false-flag operation, blamed this on the legitimate government in order to incite public backlash against Yanukovych, then overthrew the legitimate government and then proceeded to commit massacres.
The false flag operation has been confirmed by several hundred witness testimonies including wounded protestors, 2,000 videos, 6,000 photos, and 30 gigabytes of radio intercepts.
Yes. Unless they forwarded them in a secure way immediately. Which there’s like zero chance was the plan.
Absolutely. Not to mention that organizing a fucking battle plan on a non-government communications system is fucking insane.
“It’s classified” is a nice catch-all excuse to use when you just don’t want to answer for your actions.
Trump literally just got finished broadcasting and tweeting about flights that were deporting Venezuelans, topping it off with an “Oopise” taunt. But when he’s brought in front of a judge and is expected to answer for that…Sorry, classified. State secrets.
Trump’s team talks about bombing the shit out of Yemen, then goes and bombs the shit out of Yemen. And is now trying to say they didn’t talk about anything classified while talking about bombing the shit out of Yemen during a signal chat without even a hint of realization that the entire conversation was classified. Talking about impending war plans IS FUCKING CLASSIFIED BY DEFAULT YOU FUCKING CHODES
Why? They LEARNED their Lessons! Unlike HILARYS EMAILS!
tulsi is doing what she is told by kremlin.
Just resign?
Resign? They should be in jail. They used signal to get around FOIA laws.
Right! Resigning is not enough! If a regular person leaked secrets they would face more damning consequences.
Every politician in that chat should be impeached. I know it won’t remove them from office because the fucking Republicans lose even the pretext of ethics when one of their own is in trouble, but it should still be pushed to a vote.
