• gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    There’s really 4 spaces in the internet:

    • the public corporate web (YouTube, Facebook, twitter, Reddit, etc)
    • the private corporate web (requires login to view any content, Software as a Service, Cloud Apps, etc)
    • the public web (Wikimedia, Wikia, Archive.org)
    • the indie web / small web

    And currently the main issue is that the corporate web is intentionally trying to strangle the other spaces on the web.

    But there are some movements against it, https://indieweb.org/ and https://neocities.com/ and https://smallweb.cc/

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    I’m slowly making peace with the thought of losing the internet as it is. Maybe it’ll become something broken you wade into from time to time, some sort of blinking, blabbering wasteland to scavenge valid, valuable information from and return to your oasis. Some people will stay trapped in there forever, but it’s useless to try to communicate with them.

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    Gotta support alternatives such as Peertube, Nebula… so there are nice places to find videos as YouTube becomes worse and worse.

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      It’s almost impossible for any of those to suceed beyond being niche because its not viable to run against the economics of scale and the practicality of the corporate solutions provided by the Big Techs companies in capitalist countries.

      Believe me, I’ve tried to talk to real people about the dangers of sending data to a single company like Google (Alphabet) or Facebook (Meta) and depending on that for media comsumption, how it can and how it’s really used to manipulate public opinion on countries… The fact is that for non-tech and non-privacy minded people (which I’d sure Must be 99.9% of the population) they really don’t seem to care, they just wanna a “free” service that they turn on the TV and there are the videos of their “influencers” or YouTube channels to watch, on YouTube I really hate how it shoves ads like there’s no tomorrow nowadays every 5 minutes, but I also understand there’s a cost to run their business, I, myself, if were to pay for similar service provided without ads I’d pretty sure the YouTube Premium offering would still being a bargain since Google’s infractucture and running costs are really optimized.

      So yeah, I really don’t believe any capitalist country can compete with the Big Techs companies, they are probably deeply rooted into common user behavior in all capitalist country, in the capitalist “democracies” it’s impossible to lobby against them in privacy concerns since they can easily sway public opinion in their favor with invisible chances to their content delivery, so anyone trying would have to have a lot of resources to do so (a popular movement without money funding in a capitalist society is basically doomed, theres a very pow chance to suceed imo) and any national alternative, or any actual alternative to their services is almost impossible to suceed since they already have their economy of scale set up with minimal costs and they can also run years on and on with a loss untill any competition does due to being unable to compete with their lower artificial prices.

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    I alredy quit youtube when commercial crap hit the fan. Never used Zuckerbergs surveillance anyway. Very happy to spend more time on my real life

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        protip: if you wish to watch on your android TV, get an app called smarttube next. You’ll need to side load it (so i don’t know if it will work much longer with this shit that google is up to. don’t know if their block on sideloading affects android tv), but once it is installed, it auto updates and shit. no more adverts on youtube.

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    Youtube/Google/Alphabet out of aaaaall the companies out there, should already have a mindblowing amount of info on 99% of its users. There’s no need at all to even ask for ID.

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      They want solid evidence for authorities, remember USA has gone full Nazi from the very top all the way down

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    Imagine YouTube telling you to submit ID to prove that your 20 year old account is 18+ lmao

    Also, imagine living in a country pretending that it’s amazing while they treat their citizens like they do… United States of North Korea vibes

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    Between the age of my account and the fact I pay for premium, if they ever ask for ID they can go fuck themselves and I’ll go back to as blockers and fresh accounts

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        nothing wrong with that.

        you support the people you watch without having to see ads. also, comes with YT music.

        it’s a pretty good deal

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          But then you end up giving Google even more information compared to using it logged out.

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              Yeah, but having a Google account, tying payment to it, and having viewing history all tied to it is even worse. There’s a reason Microsoft wants people to use an account on their OS is tying stuff like extended support to it because a dedicated profile is still more reliable and accurate than trying to rely solely on finger printing.

              One is so good you don’t even need to try to finger print because you already did all the work for them logging in.

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              It also monetarily feed into the youtube network effect of there being no other viable options. Maybe youtube becoming completely unprofitable for creators is a necessary evil so there becomes less and less incentive to put content there.

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          And the paying user average revenue for creators is higher than ad users. At least it was when I last looked.

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            Tipping your creators 5€/month or smth is even better. No google, Amazon in between, no charges…

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              yeah except if I watch a random video from somebody they wouldn’t get any money with this method.

              I can’t afford to give everyone 5€ per month

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        I mean, people pay for Netflix or Amazon or whatever, why is YouTube different? It’s my primary video platform and I watch more than 50 hours a week (I’m low balling that number to hell as well).

        While paying is more convenient for me than breaking their shit, I’ll pay. Also means creators actually get paid for my views as well

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        Do you need to borrow a flashlight? It seems you’ve gotten far enough up your own butt that you might need some help finding your way back out again

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      I still have the original Google Play Music All Access intro deal of $7.99/month from 2013.
      They contractually can’t raise the price on me ever. 12 years so far.

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        I couldn’t keep paying for it in good conscience when they killed the original Play Music app and along with it: their awesome selection of curated playlists, the best library organization I’ve seen before or since, and the critical one, the ability to upload your own music that wasn’t available already. I just can’t stand YouTube as a music organization platform.

        Edit: Oh! And not to mention the I’m Feeling Lucky button that somehow no one else has managed to replicate.

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          I really miss that “I’m feeling lucky” button. I found a lot of good music with that.

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          That’s how much I pay for YouTube Premium.

          I also buy CDs, or Bandcamp downloads directly for those I really like, and want to donate to.
          I “curate” whole discographies of stuff that I want to “archive”.
          But when someone recommends music I haven’t heard of, I load up their most popular stuff on YouTube Music and listen to a bunch there, ad free. Then decide if or how I obtain more.

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            I use newpipe or metrolist on my phone,freetube on my PC , never have I seen ads from yt.

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                Have just tested it with totally random subjects, such as grapheneos, supertramp, Hollywood undead, interstellar, trump, everything in working order. Tested with mullvad VPN on (exit zwitersland), or off (belgium)
                Try reinstall newpipe

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    Honestly I think ID verification on the Web isn’t a bad thing. I know a professional (highly paid) propagandist in real life which made me fear trolling and masquerading as someone else is way more prevalent than assumed, because trolling on the Web is part of what he does. I’d love to see a forum where I didn’t have to second guess whether users are bots/trolls and there are no people using tens if not hundreds of accounts to skew votes.

    Obviously it shouldn’t be for-profit unethical corporations that handle this, but well-run governments.

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      Zero Knowledge ID, multiple possible verifies, only binary questions answered.

      Are you over 18 = True/False

      No other personal information escapes.

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        Could you elaborate on “multiple possible verifies” please? Unsure what you mean by that.