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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/42161854
In a heated interview with CNN‘s Dana Bash on Sunday, Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino said his agents were the real “victims” in the fatal shooting of a Minneapolis protestor.
Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old Veterans Affairs nurse, was killed by Border Patrol agents on Saturday. In videos of the deadly altercation between Pretti and several agents, he can be seen placing himself between an agent and several women that he was shoving. Pretti is sprayed with a chemical irritant and then wrestled to the ground, where one agent repeatedly hit him in the head with the irritant’s metal canister. Pretti, who was legally carrying a firearm, was fatally shot by agents while on the ground.
DHS immediately painted Pretti as a threat, saying that officers feared for their lives because Pretti was legally carrying a firearm. Multiple videos of the shooting contradicted the official line that Pretti was threatening agents. On Sunday, Bash pressed Bovino for evidence “that he was intending to massacre law enforcement.”
When Bash repeatedly asserted Pretti’s right to carry his firearm, Bovino made the bold claim that Pretti forfeited his Second Amendment rights via his actions.
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He is betting “all in” that the Nazi party will remain in power. If they are deposed, he faces life in prison or potentially the death penalty.
Bovine doesn’t wear as much protection as others. Just saying. Wouldn’t be too hard.
I think you underestimate how hard it is to hit such a small target.
Just aim for the asshole.
I wonder where he lives…
I’m just checking out this community and I gotta say that I expected to see world-wide news on here but it’s just full of US news… The community should be renamed to “US News”
Sorry, a world super power is devolving in to civil war. It’s kinda topical.
Shall not be infringed
Has the NRA commented on this? For once, I am interested in their opinion.
they take thier funding from russia, ask putin.
as per the bbc article linked by the other dude who replied to you, the NRA and other pro-gun lobby groups have urged investigation into the circumstances of Pretti’s death. I’m kind of interested in how much that divides Trump supporters who are mostly pro-ice and pro-gun. It probably won’t tbh…
This has to be a tipping point.
No, they just want a ‘investigation’ (which, I read, will be held by ICE themselves)
They should be on the war path, but since it’s Trump they let him have a little bit “tyrannical dictatorship without a constitution” as a treat.
This is literary what they claim to be all about and their reaction is “let’s wait and see what bullshit they can invent to justify this”
Not yet ,its just started
The NRA has been surprisingly consistent actually (for better or worse).
“You cannot bring a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It’s that simple. You don’t have that right to break the law and incite violence,” Kash Patel said. Like Kyle Rittenhouse? Or all the other cosplaying Meal Team Six smooth brains that like to counterprotest? Cool, cool, cool
You can
notbring a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It’s that simple."–2nd Amendment, Constitution, United States of America
“When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.”
Rittenhouse went to a protest with a loaded rifle looking for a fight, shot two people, walked away untouched, was acquitted, and got speaking gigs on conservative TV shows. You can do whatever you want as long as you’re on the “right”.
fun fact: teenage Rittenhouse had better discipline and control during the immediate timeframe of him shooting people than these 5+ year ICE/CBP goons have
regardless of what he set out to do, if you watch the videos of the event, it’s actually less of a transgression than the shit going on now. and that’s, uh, sad.
Yep, both were looking for a fight. But Kyle was actually trying to get out of the situation. These people are literally executing people.
They’re scared shitless that Minnesotans will realize they can legally carry rifles and ICE only has pistols
They’re already out numbered 10-1 everytime they get out of their trucks.
CCWs don’t help, because they’re not a visual deterrent and the act of drawing would get you shot.
But a big fuck off rifle will make them get back in the truck. America has a dark history, so fuck it let’s co-opt it.
Let’s see how the racists feel when they get followed everywhere by a group of people with rifles.
I have a feeling bare minimum they won’t be so quick to escalate to violence.
Uhhhhh, no. That will work temporarily.
Then they send in the tanks.
The US military is great at fighting other militaries. It’s terrible at fighting resistance movements. It’s why it lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Even modern tanks have flaws in urban environments
An unprotected tank in a city is an easy target. Approach from the side or rear and get any large, hard object in the treads, and it’ll throw the track and be effectively immobilized.
Any tank driver will avoid driving over obstacles for this reason. It’s not a monster truck, so even a couple cars forming a barricade with either block them out, or make them go around, perhaps onto a street of your choosing.
Please share those flaws with the group. We may need to know soon…maybe next week.
Its worth looking into chemical reactions. Keep in mind a bomb is anything that holds pressure until it suddenly doesnt. With a little ingenuity you can make almost anything into a bomb, and there are jo personel defenses and few vehicular defenses against a properly prepared bomb.
No gun will save you from the government. They will always have more force than you. But if you can force them to come to you, you can control where engagements happen. The geneva convention only applies to governments, the rest of the world is not going to care about you using biological or chemical weapons against your government.
Get a gasmask, bleach and ammonia mixed make chlorine gas. Leave barrels of gasoline around your property and practice shooting. You can get mercury out of old thermometers and use them to make tilt switches so that when someone steps on something, it activates. Timothy mcveigh (horrible dude, im not glorifying him here) showed how effective fertilizer bombs can be.
To be clear, im not advocating for any of this, simply listing your options.
Gasoline, Diesel, napalm if you can get it, basically all vehicles are susceptible to having their engine compartment lit on fire since even if it doesn’t destroy it outright something important will get cooked. Otherwise pits work great if you can build them, undermining a road could backfire but blowing up a overflow cistern could have a similar effect if needed.
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Literally just Molotov cocktails lobbed at the engine bay ventilation. It’ll make them overheat and die.
They pardoned the january 6 people. I guess that only counts if you’re specifically aiding Trump in a crime.
In today’s installment of “rights for me, none for thee”.
Who has that definition of fascism handy?
Ok NRA, so they’re saying we don’t have 2nd amendment rights anymore. You’re gonna pull all that right wing funding now, right?
Right?
Actually yes they did, they tweeted about this situation yesterday, you should check it out
Tweeting is not action.
Depends on what their Russian handlers think is best
This is the answer.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. -TJ
I saw an analysis recently where someone went through the grievances of the Declaration of Independence and fully like 2/3rds of them applied to the Trump admin.
Remember when NPR tweeted the declaration and Republicans thought it was an attack?
Yeah, if you feel attacked by that, you’re the bad guy.
Archive link, with images of tweets intact.
I hadn’t seen this, that’s hilarious.
Paywall.
Still hilarious though.
the fact that “amendments” exist and were won by bloody fights and protests tells one that the founding of the US was never, ever, about equality or rights endowed by a creator.
“All men are created equal”
Slave state!
1: the quote is from the declaration of independence, not the US Constitution that was written 13 years later after the initial weak federal government was found to be too weak.
2: 11 of the ratified amendments were essentially part of the bargain to get said Constitution passed. And absent the civil war amendments, none of the subsequent amendments were passed due to violence. (Maybe you’re thinking of the VRA?)
3: that SCOTUS has devolved into a creative writing exercise in “how can we pretend the Constitution doesn’t say what it says”, apparently Jefferson was right and enumerated rights were a mistake. (Given the benefit of hindsight, an equally difficult process for removing rights recognized by Congress or SCOTUS would have been better.)
I mean there needed to be a rule that SCOTUS couldn’t grant immunity to lawsuits or exempt the government from lawsuits.
One obvious sign the constitution was not designed with much thought is that the Supreme Court and the Electoral College are both examples of what people in the 1700s thought would create apolitical processes with diametrically opposing theories (permanent = apolitical, temporary = apolitical) and the electoral college is definitely more successful so far in achieving its stated goals.
The point of the electoral college isn’t to be apolitical, it’s to guarantee that the president is elected by the states and not the people. That was part of the compromise between the national and federal sides of the government. Though since the capping of the number in the House the government has been lopsided toward federal.
- im aware. was speaking of the system soup to nuts. so why was it necessary to have a bargain to get it passed?
They had no mandate to write the thing. Technically, if they failed to get popular support, they could have been considered guilty of treason. So, in short, it was propaganda to get people to just go ahead and sign on to what they were doing
and my position is that it never truly meant “all men” when it referred to equality, etc. we all know that anyway. i just wanted to remind folks that the existence of things like amendments means the document and mindset is not immutable and depending on the folks in charge can be changed. sometimes even reversing prior amendments!
in short: stop pretending the declaration and constitution mean anything. at all. in this day and age most critically.
Man, it gets tiring, doesn’t it? The way people basically worship the existence of certain documents, in spite of having no clue what the authors were actually talking about. Obviously this goes for religion as well as politics, cause they’re fundamentally the exact same thing.
Oh, and speaking of the founding documents not being immutable, I heard that Jefferson actually made some quote to the effect that he expected us to completely rewrite everything every 20 to 30 years or so… Implies that the so-called founding fathers did not intend for the Constitution to be set in stone in any way. But instead everybody swears oaths to a goddamn piece of paper, giving it a quasi-holy status in our culture.
So basically all I’m saying is I’m right there with ya!
The list of grievances. See any parallels?
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
"All men are created equally…just uh, ya know, please forget the families of slaves that we, the founding fathers, keep in our control.
That’s not how rights work.
The 2nd amendment is literally for when the government says rights don’t matter…
That’s how rights work, they’re not inalienable because the government pinky swore to leave them alone. They’re inalienable because the people are explicitly responsible for maintaining that.
Some generations get to eat the cake, some have to make it, and we’re all about to get a baking lesson whether we want to or not, it ain’t gonna be a choice.
Yeah I didn’t know you are only allowed to use one right at a time. What kind of sense would that make lol
Bovine probably cried when Rittenhouse was arrested, saying he did nothing wrong.
probably gave the tip to rittenhouse on how to fake a cry.
What’s interesting here is it sounds to me like they’re gearing up for justification to go after legal gun owners. Fascists like a disarmed populace after all.
The dual state.
Sir, would you like to come down to Texas and try out that argument? I think it’s possible you’ll encounter at least a few folks who might disagree.
Nazi bitch
Those rights ONLY Count if you’re MURDERING CHILDREN!
-Republicans apparently!
