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    It’s fine, the peasants will just suffer and die, there’s always more peasants.- ol’ Meatball Ron.

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      That’s just being conservative. If you don’t have to spend money, you’re saving! /s

      (But seriously on some level, probably the tactic. Why spend state money when you can ignore and then plead for money from the Federal government? It’s so perfectly grifty. Lives don’t matter, only votes enough to stay in power.)

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        I lived in a Republican suburb. While I hate car dependent design, that’s what we had. One particular intersection would be backed up for miles during rush hour. What did the city do? Ignore the problem until it became a “traffic emergency” so they could use federal funds to expand the intersection. To assholes the emergency designation is just another tool to get ahead in life.

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        I think the difference here is that floridians at local and state level want to cut funding, so they’re welcome to do that. The issue is, if that’s what you vote for and enact, don’t then turn around and ask for government money and/or turn down other states when they ask for federal money (like after Sandy).

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    He knows democrats will bail him out because they do the right thing. Insurance agencies won’t, though. The writing is on the wall when your insurance premiums skyrocket. Or worse, they drop you.

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      How many insurance companies are actually left in Florida? I thought a good percentage of them have pulled out of the state entirely citing climate change. I know the premiums offered by the remaining companies have to be insane and it’s not going to get any better.

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        And the fraud was off the charts too. Roofers going door to door offering free roofs: “oh we can put in a claim…”

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        Massive flooding of whole cities is simply not an insurable thing. Not even with all the reinsurers in the world can you pay out a city of millions. Most sane countries don’t even try.

        I live about 5m under sea level. Should de dikes breach and my polder flood (and I don’t die horribly), the insurance company pays fuck all. The Dutch state has a giant mountain of cash sitting by for cases like that.

        Of course, handing DeSantis a giant pile of emergency cash would just mean it instantly gets turned into bribes, so that wouldn’t work for Florida.

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          Fun fact, the biggest point in Florida is currently 345 feet above sealevel. (it’s somewhere near the ballsack.)

          The average is like 100

          It’s a very bad state to ignore climate change in.

          (Edit fixed the stats.)

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      My insurance is dropping me because I had the audacity to try to use it. We had one claim that paid for some damage after a flood, one to pay for a water heater, and that’s it. They decided that means we will probably ask again the next time something goes wrong, so why would they want to keep insuring us?

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        Insurance is a scam, and it pisses me off that we’re still tolerating their bullshit.

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          The concept is good. But the way it is run right now is just taking money and fight tooth and nail to pay as less as they can gey away with it.

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            I would argue that the concept is flawed. The base idea is that you calculate statistics on how much you would be likely to have to pay out, then set premiums such that you’ll always be ahead of payouts. Essentially, everyone pays so that the unfortunate few who need help can get money out of the common pool to help.

            This is just taxes, basically. We already do this with fire departments and such. However, insurance adds a profit motive on top because it’s a company, so the amount they take in must always be significantly higher than the amount they pay out. And if it’s a publicly traded company then the amount they make above and beyond the amount they pay out must always be higher every quarter.

            Like at a certain point, why not just do taxes and better disaster relief? As an added bonus, the government would have an extra incentive to care about things that may make the payouts increase, like poor infrastructure or climate change.

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              Many people are ideologically opposed to taxes and cooperation.

              Reminds me of when right-wingers accidentally reinvent like buses or socialized health care under a different name.

              In short, people are emotion driven and many of them are stupid on top of that.

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              Taxes and disaster relief is a form of insurance, I agree with you there. When I say the concept is good, I mean people pooling a little bit in a big fund and then if something happens, the money is taken from the fund.

              Insurance companies in the current system will nickel and dime you and deny your claims.

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              We already do this to an extent. It’s called FEMA.

              I am not against the government growing it’s role in this sector, I just would be concerned about the perverse incentives and subsidizing the very wealthy. Why should I have to pay for your nice house on the river that exceeds 8x or more my annual gross income? You couldn’t get private insurance because everyone knew this was a really bad place for a McMansion so you went to the government and got a free lunch. Also you are pretty much asking renters, who are usually poorer, to give money to homeowners who are usually richer.

              Maybe if it was structured more like FDIC. The government provides insurance but there is a cap on how much. If you want more go to the free market.

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                I was mostly focused on how irritating it is that there’s yet another way that basic necessities are monetized, rather than on the actual implementation details.

                The government already tracks average home and property values for determining property tax and also for determining what is a reasonable mortgage for a given area. I was kind of thinking that it would just be in addition to property tax so based on your home value, so those with very large houses would already be paying proportionally more into it.

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            If it weren’t a way to extract profit and the money stayed in a fund. It would secure society, Almost like social security. Just stop building in flood zones ffs.

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              Just stop building in flood zones ffs.

              I don’t want to live in the desert or badlands. Plus I thought we were trying to encourage people to move to cities so they wouldn’t have to drive as much.

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        I’ve had friends get fucked in the ass by their insurance company that refused to let them buy flood insurance even though they weren’t particularly close to a body of water. When the “once in 500 years” (not) flood came, their house that they had owned for years was destroyed. Insurance that they paid for picked up none of their $100,000 damages.

        They rebuilt it out of pocket and are selling it and moving to a place that is more ecologically stable. Fuck insurance companies.

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          I mean…. It sounds like the insurance company knew it was going to flood. Being close to a body of water has nothing to do with likelihood to flood…

          Seems like your friends should have moved before the flood, if they couldn’t get insurance for it. Why were they even searching for flood insurance if “they weren’t particularly close to a body of water”?

          Sorry but this definitely sounds like your friends’ fault. They knew they needed the insurance because it would flood, the insurance company knew with high certainty it was going to flood, and then it did flood.

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          Same boat. I can’t get flood insurance. All I can do is really hurt my life by moving or just accept that one day I am going to lose a lot of my stuff. I have accepted the latter.

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    jesus and the sky god and their special ghost friend are all we need! you all must be a bunch of evil woke transgenders if you don’t realize desantis is the only thing protecting our great maga country from a giant woke rainbow of destruction

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    Well maybe all the police and gun owners of florida can shoot the water away with guns since they nixed building pipes and ponds to deal with it.

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      In the press conference he said that this was a typical storm that just happens. You could just feel him lying.

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        “Nothing to see here!”

        All this christofascist virtue signaling backfires.

        Ban books? Bible gets banned. “No, not like that!”

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        If a typical storm causes rampant flooding, maybe it would behoove you to invest in infrastructure and tighten building codes.

        You know, the job of local government.

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          No meaningful infrastructure project in the US is solely funded by local government.

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    DeSantis’s disaster response was good. He did an excellent job the last few hurricane seasons, including when Ian hit us, and he’s cognizant of how crooked the insurance companies were, among other things.

    Say what you will about everything else (and I have a lot to say, trust me, I would not vote for him), but y’all are just demonizing him because he’s a Republican. And, quite fairly, for some destructive party line policies.

    Also… y’all haven’t seen anything yet. I was in this rain, and again, it’s nothing compared to Ian or the upcoming season.

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      His party voted against disaster relief funding multiple times. What did he actually do? Throw toilet paper for a PR stunt like Trump?

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    I’m not sure if gay marriage causes hurricanes, but it looks an awful lot like hate and fascism cause floods.

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        Let’s all LOL that stupid idea off! 😂

        Anyway, how are those more important and useful oil pipelines going? Thousands of them as I understand, some coming from Canada. The Canadian pipelines are specially easy because you just have to go dig the dirt for tar, then you just dissolve it and pipe it up. It’s not like water where you would have to do all sorts of crazy things like look at it to make sure it’s still liquid, and like put the pipeline inlet where the water is and then have to actually pump it. It’s an incomprehensible amount of impossible engineering work. Like for example for tar, it’s pretty easy because it cakes on the wall so you send a pig plug to scrape the inside. But for water, man! It probably has fish it in and you might need to scrape it but also, who knows what the fish are planning. Definitely impossible to do.

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      California checking in. We aren’t on fire any more, mostly, we are having flooding issues. No more water please. Or at least stagger the deliveries out over the entire year, not just late Jan - May.

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        Other nations have invented this weird technology where they dig holes. I think we could use that technology to dig holes and then maybe look at the holes 🕳️ for inspiration. Maybe someone, one day could figure out what to do with holes so that a huge amount of water could be stored locally. It’s just so difficult. I mean, holes! Who knew…hold on the exopresident is still talking…yeah and Obama.

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        Why? I have it on good authority from every bank hired economists and neoliberal on earth that if you have a student loan it is because you are a privileged multimillionaire who just doesn’t feel like paying them, also if we give you a break the inflation will be so bad we will be BBQing human babies for food.

        CATO’s main funding sources are banks that service student loans and CATO sued the federal government to not give debt relief. Their argument was, and I shit you not, that if student debt relief is given they will have to pay interns more.