Summary
Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s daughter, accused her father of giving a “definitely Nazi salute” at two rallies in January, calling his actions “fucking cringe.”
In an interview with Teen Vogue, she criticized Musk’s involvement in the Trump administration and advocated for trans rights, emphasizing the importance of gender-affirming care for minors.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
She also expressed fear over anti-trans legislation under Trump’s administration.
To be honest, you’d have to be very stupid to belive otherwise.
I suspect 90% of the people who want to give him the benefit of “doubt” when there actually is none, is very well aware of what he did.They are.
Everyone knows it was not one, but two, Nazi salutes.
The people who won’t accept it are either trying to cover for their team, or are too full of pride to admit they support Nazis, or both.
My mother both fully denounces nazi-ism and does not believe musk did a Nazi salute.
There are still people who are brainwashed unfortunately. Whether willfully or not, is another discussion.
It definitely was. He’s apartheid nepo baby. Autistic or not, he’s racist and a terrible asshole. Also a nazi.
If he’s autistic, that can be dangerous when mixed with narcissism. There’s research showing a link between it and mass shootings (practical example here). Possibly due to some autistic people thinking in polarised extremes, having poor social skills and lacking effective empathy.
At least provide some scientific data to back up any claim like this. Posting this is an extremely harmful claim to make regardless, but to do so with a “practical example” is not only incredibly offensive it has the potential to be profoundly harmful. Please consider providing real data for your claims or editing your post entirely.
No problem at all, and as a disabled and neurodiverse person, I really appreciate your concern. I’m at work so I’ve only got a few papers to hand but there’s:
Kenyon, Baker-Really and Binder - lone actor terrorism, a systematic literature review. Ebbrecht - risk factors and mechanisms of radicalisation in lone actor grievance fuelled violence. Broad- incels, violence and mental disorder
Tysm for your information, I will look over these and follow up 👍
Np. Lone actor grievance fuelled violence is pretty interesting as a topic.
That’s an exceptionally dangerous claim to make; it’s going to cause people to further alienate people that are on the autism spectrum. When you look at the report that the US Secret Service released on mass shootings (I’d have to find it; I’ve got a copy saved somewhere), autism spectrum disorder is not listed as a factor, while things like divorced parents is.
Perhaps you missed the part that said, “[Forensic psychiatrist Dr Iain Kooyman] found Prosper had an ‘extreme lack’ of empathy and remorse - something that could not be explained by ASD alone.”
And, BTW, people on the autism spectrum lack effective empathy, not empathy. That means that a person on the spectrum has a reduced ability to understand what a person is experiencing or feeling, not that they don’t feel empathy when they do know.
Youre right, I should have said effective empathy or similar, I’ll edit my comment. As a disabled and neurodiverse person, I really appreciate you pulling me up on it. I’m at work so I’ve only got a few papers to hand but there’s:
Kenyon, Baker-Really and Binder - lone actor terrorism, a systematic literature review. Ebbrecht - risk factors and mechanisms of radicalisation in lone actor grievance fuelled violence. Broad- incels, violence and mental disorder
And I agree, autism doesn’t explain mass violence or cruelty.
I think it can be dangerous because of the presentation, and singling out ASD.
There’s lots of otherwise harmless things can become danger multipliers.
Being sleepy is harmless. Driving a car is very slightly dangerous. Being sleepy while driving a car is incredibly dangerous.
Being on the spectrum isn’t dangerous at all. Radicalized people can be slightly dangerous. Sociopaths can be fairly dangerous. Gun ownership can be slightly dangerous. Radicalized sociopaths with guns on the spectrum are worth worrying about.
But the solution isn’t singling out the ASD, but other factors that can be more effectively controlled.
There’s discussion in this thread re him having autism, I should have mentioned that. Did you see that I said when mixed with narcissism it can be dangerous? I’m not saying neurodiverse people are dangerous.
Oh, I totally get it. You’re all good. I’m saying that presenting it in that manner is dangerous, not that you’re necessarily presenting it that way.
Yes, and I appreciate you pulling me up on it. I should have made it clear.
Like this needed confirmation.
Honestly, F. Elon.
You respect him?
I mean if it was in that context, sure of be okay with that.
I would not F Elon, even in that context.
I mean you pressed “F”.
Elon Musk’s daughter has functioning eyeballs.
This is what the republicams wanted, don’t let them scream uncle
My favorite explanation for this is that he’s autistic. It never fucking ends with these people, lol
Tourette syndrome makes people do involuntary Nazi salutes. Not Autism.
Yep, its fucking outrageous and insulting. He’s not an autistic person that needs 24 supported living, he can function to a high level in day to day society. He’s been in the public eye long enough to be well aware of how his actions can be perceived. He fucking knows exactly what he was doing, and chose to do it.
The kid is all right. Great hair, too.
who the fuck still thinks it wasn’t …
I personally know at least a few people that honest to god think it was a wave. You cannot reason with these people.
All Republicans. My idiot sister. She’s like “I watched it” as if that’s proof it wasn’t? If the white superiority groups are applauding your actions, you’re in the wrong. That quieted her down but it didn’t change her mind. She thinks we’re all over reacting.
I will say, it’s not all republicans. And I mean this in a “there’s still the slightest sliver of hope” kind of way, bc my church is hella republican leaning, with lots of old people, and they’re all fucking pissed at Trump and Elon. Like they’re calling him King Trump (mockingly) and a lot of them have complained about Elon doing the hitler salute. And yes, they’re the idiots that voted for him and are now complaining that he’s doing exactly what he said he’d do but this is our best time to try to push them back towards “normal” republicans rather than the openly fascist ones
Doesn’t matter, these idiots would still vote for him tomorrow if they had the chance.
Yeah, she “begrudgingly” voted for Trump, just like the people you’re talking about. My parents on the other hand, lifelong Republicans, voted Harris. Sure “not all Republicans” but it is all the ones who voted for Trump. There’s no excuse for them to have voted for him the second time. I am sympathetic to Republicans who held their nose and voted red the first time, but it’s a different party now.
If she really watched it, she would have seen him turn around and do another Nazi salute to the crowd behind him.
My brother. He thinks it was just a normal heartwarming gesture and people are just finding reasons to hate on him. I had a… Pretty bad argument with him over it.
Me.
a comment on reddit, said vivian had less gender affirming care than elon musk.
I don’t know what that means exactly, but I’m intrigued.
It refers to the cosmetic enhancements he has had done to make him feel more comfortable in his own body. The most obvious being his hair plugs.
And also the copious use of steroids (without any accompanying resistance training), which makes him look like a sweaty bag of manure on legs
Anti trans?
Trump. My man. You brought yourself back a bit, well done.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
So he’s a sociopath. That checks out
He literally just said “empathy is weakness” the other day, I think it’s pretty clear he’s got some serious personality disorder. Narcissism and sociopathy both seem to fit him pretty well but I’m just a blue-collar guy.
Idk one way or another he’s a piece of shit and I firmly believe one of the most evil people kicking, if anyone can be said to be evil, it’s him.
And I’ve played a LOT of evil in DnD over the years. Both sides of the screen. I feel like I’ve got a pretty good grasp of the concept. If he was just a character in literature I’d go “damn, that’s a good villain”, but he is, sadly, alive and real.
Evil is the absence of empathy, so by his own admission he is absolutely evil.
The first time I heard about him beyond a vague “electric car person” post was from a tech co-worker in 2017, where they said they read a biography of Elon where they basically labelled him a sociopath. So, just to emphasize to anyone in the back-row, it’s certainly not news.
funny thing is that is the time he revealed the plans for the cybertruck, im guessing they never changed the design since then.
I always got a bad vibe from Elon, back when people were praising him, I just shook my head.
No private company is ever going to save the world, not enough money in it. And even if there was, it’s not enough for the rich to have a lot, others must have very little or it doesn’t “mean anything”
hes the guy that uses SON, who he name X-2AE,etc/ and uses him as a human shield.
It’s mindblowing how anyone still genuinely thinks what he did was anything but.
“iT wAs A rOmAn sALuTe” oh you mean the “salute” that appears in exactly one painting from the 1700s, long after the Roman empire had fallen?
There are videos of people being asked to recreate it, and while most refuse to do it (because of the implication), some add their own flourish to make it look like something else. That should tell you everything you need to know.
And was the direct inspiration for the Nazi salute.
The painting? I believe it.
Indirect inspiration. Hitler got it from Mussolini, who got it from Gabriele d’Annunzio, who got it from a Broadway production of Ben-Hur, which got it from the US Pledge of Allegiance, which got it from the painting.
Interesting. Do you have a source on that? I’d like to research this more.
If that’s a Roman Salute, then what happened to Richard Spencer was a “Roman Face Massage”
What happened to him?
He got punched in the face for being a white supremacist dickhead.
Forgot about that! Who’s got it?
Excellent.
Can’t really really refute painterly proof.
Looks like people reaching out for swords rather than a salute to me. The Nazis played some mental gymnastics to get to where they are.
That was my thought when I first saw it. If it was a real salute, don’t you think the soldiers would be more uniform in their portrayed appearances?
It’s disgusting that people have to have this discussion at all.
Who am I gonna believe? The right-wing choads who are gaslighting us about this, or my lying eyes?
Its noted in the wikipedia page for the ADL that since 2014 it’s chair has been a silicon valley tech CEO
Referring to this? The Anti-Defamation League is a joke.
Yup.
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He’s been quacking like a duck for years, and now that he waddles like one the bootlickers are all “ooh, just an awkward swan!”
ADL Logic: Drinking milk is racist, the Hitler salute is not.
If he didn’t mean it it would be very simple to at the very least post a tweet afterwards saying he’s sorry for the misunderstanding and that he didn’t mean it to look thay way. Like any innocent person would do in that situation.
The fact he didn’t shows all you need to know.
Having been on several bar trivia teams, I can say that at least 80% of Americans know virtually nothing about history. I could imagine someone with only a vague familiarity with a Nazi salute just assuming there’s no way a fortune 500 CEO would actually do one, not recognizing how spot on of a Hitler impression that was.
Just watched it again. I didnt remember it being that obvious…
It’s not ambiguous.
It’s obvious deflection. Don’t engage. They have to convince themselves and by giving them the time of day they win.
My coworker is convinced it was just ‘my heart to you!’ and to him is why he no longer trusts the news. It’s crazy to watch educated people get sucked into the alt right misinformation hole.
Are they an engineer?
They aren’t, no.
The one that always gets people to accept reality for me is
“If it’s just “My heart goes out to you!”, then do it in public and see what happens, do it at work and see if you still have a job.”
Does he ever tell people his heart goes out to them in the same way?
Not that I know of…
Your coworker is a nazi who hasn’t come out yet.
Show them this and ask again. It’s probably not going to change their answer, but there will be a moment of confusion that passes behind their eyes as they try to reconcile reality with their beliefs.
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The potential side effects of ketamine include dissociative experiences that may lead to confusion or impaired motor coordination, cognitive disturbances, and, with repeated misuse, the risk of developing a substance use disorder.
There was a porn star whose ketamine addiction led to a series of events which resulted in a vegetative state. She shows signs of consciousness but no signs of intelligence just like musky
Source?
If you could maybe find a credible source - but regardless this woman was disabled in rehab, the syndrome described in the article is not linked to ketamine use in any credible way
Daily mail has done legit journalism in the past. The problem is that 90 percent of their content is salacious trash. But in this case they literally just copied their sources here so you can find the og on your own.
Yes you are right. But if you reread what I wrote i pointed out that ketamine wasnt the cause. But it was her ketamine addiction which put her in rehab. And while she was in rehab she had the medical issue.
I appreciate the gentle correction re: your original comment, I definitely just glossed that. My bad.
I appreciate that you are trying to get good sources and promote truth. Thank you for being nice too.
I don’t see turning into a goddamn Nazi on that list
It’s in there. Being completely divorced from reality and convinced that every fever dream is truth leads to some strange places.
Yes that’s by design it’s literally a dissociative - that does not explain this behavior, at all. Also the research isn’t there for abuse, the only large scale studies have been from illegal street use, typically much higher quantity and much riskier quality than a clinical setting. I’m done trying to defend ketamine from you guys it’s obviously the easiest scapegoat you can find but you’re doing real harm here, on top of the harm this asshole has already done
Is it because she has working eyes? That’s really all you need to come to this conclusion.
