The brand is forever damaged. Sell while you can.
I feel bad for Nikola Tesla having his name associated with all this nonsense. Not even death let him escape from rich assholes taking credit for the work of others.
If it makes you feel any better his first name has fared just as poorly in terms of automakers lmao
I’m actually a big fan of Edison Motors, who are working to make heavy trucks into hybrids. And they’re Canadian!
I’m excited for their hybrid conversion kits
Me too. I want to get another of the car I drove in high school and slap a hybrid kit in it
The car I had in high school is absurdly rare these days.
I had a 1989 Ford Probe.
Did the probe share parts etc with the eagle talon and the Mitsubishi eclipse or am i thinking of something else?
if Nikola Tesla weren’t a eugenicist i’d agree with you
The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then man’s new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.
Oof, that’s a tough read.
It was a common view, especially among progressives, from the late 1890s to the start of WW2. The temperance movement embraced eugenics, so did the family-planning movement, and through it, early feminism.
I have read a number of comments from people with illnesses or other issues that are genetic, saying they don’t want to pass their problems onto the next generation.
So, bizarrely enough, there is a certain amount of eugenics happening, it’s just purely voluntary.
It’s the top-down nature of the eugenics movement that made it so morally repugnant. “We decide who’s fit to have kids.”
Fair enough.
Kind of me, I have a genetic heart defect I don’t intent to pass on. Though realistically, it was unlikely to happen in the first place.
Oof.
it was the turn of the 20th century; everybody was a eugenicist. that’s why we say ‘people from the past sucked’.
Imagine disregarding the entire domain of Tesla’s work - changing the entire world as we know it with his research and innovations - and the comment they need to make for online points is some virtue-oriented pat-me-on-the-back-im-ethical blorp about random social norms of the time. lol but cry.
yeah, dude was so good at electrical shit I literally cannot comprehend how he got to some of his ideas from where he was.
He had really bad autism. He was in love with a pigeon. Brilliant he was, but mad as a hatter.
see, I would argue that the pigeon kind of exhonnerated him for the eugenics. A race of superhuman pigeon-men, ruling over us pitiful full apes? I’d bend the knee, in my primitive forward jointed way.
I think he was just intuitively good at seeing what exactly is the portrayal of electricity and magnetism. A unique genius with a certain insight.
I sometimes feel that there were many businesses concerns that grew around his early research and they were so successful that his newer research must have been a threat to that.
Through all the mystery, half-truths, and frankly magical thinking people have with this man, it’s really hard to know what he was up to in his final days of work, before he became a homeless bag-man. I somehow feel, without making any kind of declarative statement, that he was working on transmission of energy with longitudinal (vs transverse) waves, and discovering methods of conveying and extracting electrical potential from and through Earth.
Inline Edit: To expand on the above paragraph: The Earth doesn’t really “absorb” electrons like a pillow absorbing a ping pong ball. The energy in the negative charges that the Earth grounds must move in waves, therefore they’re grounded but now the waves are bouncing around in the Earth; that energy still exists and may sum with other waves in an additive way. I believe, again without making a declarative statement, that Tesla recognized this and was pioneering research on how to transmit energy via, and gather momentum from those waves. There were successes transmitting energy and encoded information through Earth which can be repeated today with garbage dump salvage electronics. I believe he was discovering a few dangerous things as well: Harmonic discharges of electrical devices to ground could be captured (think telecommunications and military); and he was conducting novel elemental research on tapping Earth to harmonize and extract force(s) - what these things portended led to his complete scientific alienation.
The word “free energy” always obliterates any form of rational discourse. But there was something to it in a way, but to clarify, not in a literal way. Not in the sense of violating fundamental laws of conservation, rather seeing the “other side of the coin” that if the Earth is effectively infinite Ground then it’s also effectively an “infinite” source of power if harvested.
I’ve never really “researched” the man directly but what I do know comes from quite a bit of my casual STEM self-study over decades.
socially free, from a source nobody had ever even thought of, but not literally physically free. that is pretty fucking cool. I’ll have to ask an EE about this sometime, and see how dumb they think I am.
People say that because they support it and they don’t think it’s a big deal. There were always anti-eugenicist movements (and always people opposed to fucking children, and having slaves, and even eating meat or going to war, and other morally shitty things justified with this excuse). That’s literally how the movements against these things came about - people throughout time have been against them. You just discount them because you align yourself with the other side, for some reason.
Tesla was not mentally well. But he had the power to make weapons, including a so called “Death Beam” https://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_mispapers.html
And look, Trump connection:
After a three-day investigation, Trump’s report concluded that there was nothing which would constitute a hazard in unfriendly hands, stating:
“His [Tesla’s] thoughts and efforts during at least the past 15 years were primarily of a speculative, philosophical, and somewhat promotional character often concerned with the production and wireless transmission of power; but did not include new, sound, workable principles or methods for realizing such results.[233]”
In a box purported to contain a part of Tesla’s “death ray”, Trump found a 45-year-old multidecade resistance box.
https://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_mispapers.html
An operation code-named “Project Nick” was heavily funded and placed under the command of Brigadier General L. C. Craigie to test the feasibility of Tesla’s concept. Details of the experiments were never published, and the project was apparently discontinued. But something peculiar happened. The copies of Tesla’s papers disappeared and nobody knows what happened to them.
The morning after the inventor’s death, his nephew Sava Kosanovic´ hurried to his uncle’s room at the Hotel New Yorker. He was an up-and-coming Yugoslav official with suspected connections to the communist party in his country. By the time he arrived, Tesla’s body had already been removed, and Kosanovic´ suspected that someone had already gone through his uncle’s effects. Technical papers were missing as well as a black notebook he knew Tesla kept—a notebook with several hundred pages, some of which were marked “Government.”
P. E. Foxworth, assistant director of the New York FBI office, was called in to investigate. According to Foxworth, the government was “vitally interested” in preserving Tesla’s papers. Two days after Tesla’s death, representatives of the Office of Alien Property went to his room at the New Yorker Hotel and seized all his possessions.
Dr. John G. Trump, an electrical engineer with the National Defense Research Committee of the Office of Scientific Research and Development, was called in to analyze the Tesla papers in OAP custody.
im saying you can’t really judge a non-expert for being the kind of shitty guy that was in vogue to be shitty at the time, especially if it’s not a primary thing. nicola tesla doing a eugenics? yeah whatever. his approximate contemporary, margaret sanger, you can give a lot more shit on the topic, because she was a fucking doctor.
this doesn’t just apply to history! as someone who has generally been on the right side of history, I have lived through this. several times. A current example, aside from the obvious nazi shit and transphobia, would be the whole push to equate large language models with “AI” and orient all of our society’s productive capacity towards making them like we’re a giant god damn paperclip machine. I can’t give any lay person who was into the tech in 2023 too terribly much shit about it-but if you were in any sort of information science, math, IT, or neuro-anything, and you were in favor of how it was being pushed for more than five minutes, I will mock you mercilessly until the day one of us dies, and then if it was you, ill graffiti the mockery on your fucking grave.
how strongly was he in favor of eugenics? did he have any ability to push the needle? did he care emotionally, or was it just a quick glance ‘yeah that sounds close enough and I trust the experts. anyway, back to stuff I actually care about’ kind of opinion?
It’s not about “judging,” it’s about not feeling sorry for Tesla’s name being attached to a shitty eugenicist since he himself was a eugenicist
I think being a shitty eugenicist non-expert in 1900 is a lot less egregious than being a shitty eugenicist who claims to be an expert in everything in 2025.
also, there’s plenty of other stuff for him to be ashamed of with this association.
His legacy can live on with Dr Parkinstein. (Parker Edmondson)
@juergen@feddit.org “Fuck Elon” is becoming the punch buggy of this generation.
Combine a toxic brand with a level of ridiculously poor Quality Control we haven’t seen from a US automaker since the Saturn brand, and you get a price point/distressd asset that PE will be looking at. They’ve already calculated the value of selling Tesla for parts and just waiting for the stock to hit a number to act. Elon is so over leveraged, there will be nothing he can do to stop it.
What happens if Tesla falls? America’s charging station infrastructure is owned by Tesla. Looks like the whole EV push has been a complete failure. What about the environment and global warming, seems like people really don’t care about any of that in comparison to settling political grievances. It is what it is.
@AidsKitty@lemmy.world
@juergen@feddit.org Are you a Tesla owner who only charges at Telsa charging stations? Tesla doesn’t even own the majority of charging stations in the US. They only recently started allowing non-Teslas to use their chargers. Where did you think all the other EVs were charging?
Tesla will be taken over by PE who will sell off the charging network. Once rebranded as ChargePoint or Electrify America, they will will no lobger be targeted by vandalism and arson. The cost of removing the toxic Tesla brand isn’t trivial, but the locations and infrastructure have value. They won’t just be turned off when there is profit to made.
https://evadoption.com/ev-charging-stations-statistics/us-charging-network-rankings/
There is no point in worrying about the environment without first fighting against facism.
Im a little unclear on your charge of fascism here. Could you list examples of the fascist events or occurances you have suffered?
If you want to be technical, US is a proto-fascist state (i.e. there is still a lot of room for things to get worse).
Ah yes the “could you please list specific ways you’ve been harmed” that’s definitely asked in good faith to further a productive discussion.
Sealion.
I’ve asked multiple people and never once has anyone given an example, or an experience, but this is the first time i was called a sealion.
Women are no longer able to get adequate medical care and my trans friends can no longer be their true selves. The family that runs the grocery store down the street is scared of anybody in a blue uniform. You’re either willfully malicious or so uninformed that your opinion on it is useless.
That you pretend to care and to be objective is a joke. We can all see exactly what you are.
Trans people can live however they choose to and people have been fighting over abortion since the 1970s. I dont understand how these qualify as examples of fascism? I understand you do not agree with the abortion ruling but how does it support your claim of living under a fascist government?
That’s the American way of doing things. Wild deregulation and dependency on billionaires, because freedom or some excuse.
In Europe, the EU mandated years ago CCS2 for all cars, tesla included, so the whole continent’s (UK, CH, etc included) infrastructure is compatible with every car, just like gas stations. Tesla operates like 20% of the infrastructure so if they disappear it will be a minor nuisance, and only for the time other operators gobble up the locations. If power and permits are already in place, it’s a question of a few weeks to install the transformers and charging points.
Elon is getting slapped by the invisible hand.
I think this hand ain’t invisible. Well at least one finger isn’t.
fun fact: the people who originally coined the phrase ‘invisible hand of the market’ called it ‘the invisible hand of providence’ which basically means ‘gods inscrutable will’. capitalism-at least market capitalism-is literally a religion.
and its god is smiting his favorite special boy. so sad.
If I were to drive one, I would never let such circumstances push me to sell.
What are your thoughts on doing a Nazi salute when seeing a cybertruck? Is it okay because we are mocking them? Or is it just never okay to do a Nazi salute?
Three fiddy and I will use for target practice.
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No sympathy.
I hope they lose money because they bought a 1939 Volkswagan with an electric motor on it, and then claimed
Well how was I meant to know the man who lives on the internet 24/7 and can’t shut up about his opinions of women, non-whites, fascism, lgbt, and lies like he needs his pants to be warm for the winter, was somehow a bad guy? I bought a cool sticker, so I’m absolved of giving him any money :^)
These people bought them because they thought he was a real life Tony Stark, especially the early models and Cybertrucks. I consider everyone driving in one a useful idiot for Trump and Musk.
SE Asia, East Africa, and Central and South America
Is this where American monied have compounds?
If beattheshitoutofmytesla.com was a thing I’d do contract work on my weekends.
Hell, I’ll roll out for free.
With phrasing like that, you should start a gang. Call yourselves the Autobots.
This is beautiful
For its part, Tesla has been trying to boost its image with the help of President Trump. On Monday, the president took to the South Lawn of the White House to promote Tesla’s cars, apparently buying one despite having campaigned on an explicitly anti-electric vehicle platform.
Somehow, I don’t think MAGA cult will buy electric vehicles in quantities needed to offset even a fraction of people who used to buy Tesla.
I think that’s what the Cybertruck is for, to appeal to Conservatives. I live on the edge between blue and red counties, and down in red territory the Cybertrucks are everywhere. (Meaning I saw at least four different ones.)
You can blow that exact point up pretty large. The MAGA verse is a parasite on the rest of the US. I would love to see them try to stand on their own as an independent nation. It would be Texas + a bunch of little shithole countries gathered around its skirts. They wouldn’t have the economic wherewithal to GDP their way out of a wet paper bag.
Eh…put a lift kit, USA flag wrap, and a smoke machine on the cyber truck and they’d double sales.
I don’t think the Venn diagram of “ev buyer” and “trump voter” is big enough to double sales.
Imagine the CEO of Browning or American Rifles helping Joe Biden pick out a new gun from a display in the state dining room.
The difference is Biden is a gun owner. So at least it would be buying a product he actually has. There has been incidents referencing him and his wife having at least a shotgun (so 2+ guns)
With Trump hating on electric cars like he had for so long, and not knowing how to drive, it’s a bit different.
Old rich guy like Biden probably has loads of nice, quality, antique guns.
Many families don’t throw away guns, they pass them down. So antiques are a plenty as well. Being that his dad was born in 1915, it’s very likely they have guns from before WW1 around.
You ruined my joke. I was going to say, “Antique guns, bought new.”
everything’s computer
Well if they make a Cybertruck 2 that’s lifted and looks like the Dildozer, they might have a new market. It’ll get 50 miles per-charge, but it’ll intimidate their neighbor’s kid, so it’s worth the $380,000 price tag (financed, of course).
I’m sure he’ll put a turbo diesel in it too
The GMC Hummer EV Pickup Truck has entered the chat.
205-kWh capacity battery [three times the size in a crossover], still gets only 275 miles [2023 version].
That truck weighs a whopping 10,000 lbs though.
GMC Hummer EV Pickup Truck
…yeah, we are a very dumb species and it’s good that we’re going to go extinct in WW3.
Half of them are broke as fuck and the other half are heavily invested in oil company stocks. Elon made a poor choice of allegiance.
A portion also associate EVs and their ilk with environmentalists, and would probably not buy one even if their very lives depended on it.
Which they might well do.
I’m not sure any of them have strong enough positions on anything other than their next grift. They would become Captain Planet if it kept them on the gravy train.
Yeah does Elon not know who his main economic base is? Environmental and techy liberals that love to cancel people, he got into the wrong business for his political leanings I think
I don’t think the MAGA Cult can even AFFORD electric vehicles, I mean, shit I know I can’t.
which is great, because it will increase the chance that tesla will go down and with that elon musk.
Ah, yes… Let me tell you about a little restaurant called Chick fil a…
Never underestimate hate, stupidity, and laziness.
They’re trying the “buy EVs to own the libs” angle. It’s a bold strategy, Cotton….
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Honestly? Might not be a bad idea to consider buying a used Tesla after they tank in value.
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No money goes to Elon in that exchange, so you’re not supporting the fascist prick. They made their money off the first buyer.
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It’s environmentally friendly to buy a used vehicle, rather than a new one, as you extend it’s life and reduce it’s carbon footprint
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Since everybody is abandoning them, they’re cheaper than other options.
My only reservation is that I’d be driving around a Tesla still, so if I did something like this I’d have to de-brand the hell out of it somehow to make it appear as a generic “an car”.
One downside is that Teslas are uncomfortable. I liked them a lot circa 2016, the Model S used to be my favorite vehicle. They simply haven’t held a competitive advantage, or in the case of the 3/Y, are genuinely quite bad. I’d rather pay more for something better, and that was before the CEO became this.
I’ve had my model 3 for 4 years and it’s more comfortable than any previous car I’ve driven. What is bad about them (other than the fuckwit CEO)?
I guess I wanna clarify that it’s bad in my opinion, not objectively. I’ll return to this later. I just don’t wanna seem like I’m shitting on your car or the reasons you got it.
Cars are typically comfortable when they have good ride quality and interior. The Model 3 has the absolute worst in both regards of any EV I’ve tried. The suspension is legendarily poor and is my primary complaint— it truly feels like punishment. As if every road imperfection was multiplied, not dampened. They could’ve given it the interior of an S class and I’d still find it uncomfortable. Yet the interior is sterile and features low quality materials. I tried my best to recall any one comfort besides heated seats, but I truly believe it is bereft of them.
So, back to how this is my personal opinion. I am a traditional comfort guy: good ride quality, creature comforts, high quality materials. For those who don’t care about that, the Model 3 is a great “get me there” vehicle. The software is good and it has ample driving assistance. The supercharger network is unrivaled if you don’t mind funding Musk (I do, so even though mine can now access the network I won’t use it). It’s very functional. Just not physically comfortable.
I’ll admit that most of the EVs I’ve tried are Model S competitors, not 3, but I’d still take either Ioniqs or the Mach-E over the 3. Also the latest Model 3 improved the suspension, but I’ve yet to try it
Fair enough.
I have always had rather sporty vehicles so the suspension of mine (2021 3 competition) feels just fine. Sporty, rather hard, but not uncomfortable. Not floaty of course. Some people put a kw suspension for about 3k, which apparently makes it much better than comparable cars. I test drove one and didn’t notice that much of a difference, so passed on the upgrade.
As for the materials, they are average or above in its price class. New VWs are notably worse. BMW are notably better but also 30% more expensive. Haven’t been in an ioniq but non-electric Hyundai and kias are worse IMHO. The interior design is clearly very subjective, but the materials are just fine. Not a lot of hard plastics or anything like that, everything you touch is… fine.
Yeah that tracks. I’ve always been comfort minded so the Model 3 feels really bad to me.
For materials, they’re like one step above hard plastic. They don’t feel like high quality versions of whatever material they are, if that makes sense. “Just… fine” is a good descriptor. Unfortunately I don’t spend a ton of time in its competitors so I may have been unfair to the materials by comparing it to more expensive options. And yeah, in my case the barebones interior feels less comfortable.
I do hope you keep liking the car! None of us ex Tesla supporters could have seen this coming, so it shouldn’t hinder your enjoyment.
Your heart’s in the right place but this is bad advice.
Teslas are still wickedly expensive to repair and there’s only the dealership who can do those repairs.
And the parts break way too often, even parts that shouldn’t break ever, like the door handles that only Tesla can replace. The cost of that can apparently be over $1k. For a door handle.
It’d be a money pit after the warranty period runs out. You’re still going to be better off with a run of the mill beater car
Until Tesla allows other shops to do repairs, those swastikars will never be economical even if you ignore the Nazi part
Your point about buying used being better for the environment also applies to older gas powered cars too, which will be easier and cheaper to repair
But if you do you’ll be able to experience the Passenger Kebab Mode™ firat hand when the battery ignites!
there’s only the dealership who can do those repairs.
That’s illegal AF in the EU, or at least Germany. They already got into very hot water for trying to price independent repairs out by making their diagnostic software ludicrously expensive.
Must be nice not having business owners literally hanging out in the executive office all the time.
Oh they certainly do but the SME lobby tends to have more influence. Repair shops are businesses, too.
And it’s not always a good thing, e.g. when it comes to the Supply Chain Act the fat cat lobby was way more sane than the SME one: Nestle doesn’t mind monitoring its supply chain for human rights abuses it’s quite vertically integrated and the practice is a great defence against lawsuits and also getting fucked over / internal corruption while the SMEs are fearing bureaucracy and costs. It’s not like slave farm owners would share their ill-gotten profits with Nestle, they pocket the difference to standard market prices.
It’s actually illegal in some US states, too. Right to repair at the federal level is still being fought, iirc. There was a lot of progress being made around 2023, but got stalled. Hopefully the current oligarchy administration doesn’t end up butchering that movement, but I’m not very optimistic.
Part of the win is electric vs gas too though. Use the electric until it’s gone and toasted then get a beater.
I’ve owned a Tesla and I’d say your wrong about pretty much everything here.
The whole point of buying an EV is that it stops polluting after it’s been manufactured (ignoring tires) and specifically that you stop polluting your local environment, making it out like used gas powered cars are just as good as used EVs is disingenuous at best.
Obligatory fuck elon before I write the rest of the comment.
I have had a Tesla for 4 years now and as a car they are quite good (newer models got worse).
Super cheap to run, no oil, no filters other than cabin air, no yearly dealership maintenance to keep the warranty. And you charge it at home, super cheap and convenient. (yeah, same applies for any other electric car).
Repair costs (had a few fender benders) are comparable to my old BMW, maybe a bit lower. A door handle never broke on mine, but I just looked and found one on ebay for 15 EUR in case it breaks in the future. Can’t say it’s unreasonable. There’s simply less mechanical things to go wrong with the car, and over time the 3rd party shops can do almost everything, for a similar price to any other car. And if/when the battery ages (8 years warranty), you can still use it at home.
Fun to drive, too, and quite efficient, more than most electric cars.
Nowadays I would never buy one new, and even used it somewhat does rise the price of other Teslas, but I’m not planning to sell mine, I would lose quite a lot of money to end up with a similar car. I am in the market for a second car and it’s definitely going to be electric, but no chance for a Tesla.
I can understand why your next one will be electric as pretty much all the benefits you describe are benefits of an EV not a Tesla.
I drive an old beater of a leaf and have the same list
Benefits of specifically Tesla is that they’re dirt cheap comparatively, especially if you actually want a car and not some giant honking SUV or pickup truck. You can get a car with a 360+ mile range (3rd parties tested and got slightly more) for ~$35k after federal rebate. No one can compete with that and it’s not even close.
It’s one of the most expensive in Canada. 60K for a RWD base Model 3. You can get an AWD Ioniq for that, and should, since Hyundai can actually build a car.
That’s crazy, I wonder why that is?
Does the Hyundai have 350+ miles of range at that price?
Also I did say I was specifically speaking about cars, not SUVs.
Range on both is over 500km. They’re pretty much the only EVs that have that much range. But the fit and finish on the Ioniq makes it a luxury car by comparison. And they don’t have that Musky smell about them.
I can’t argue with that, at least in the US that’s always been a strength of their’s.
I initially held the view that range was irrelevant if it’s a massive battery but even on that score Tesla seemed to be ahead of the game for a long time on the efficiency (miles per kw). Not sure if the market has caught up as I’m not at that end of the food chain so speak.
Tesla seemed to be ahead of the game for a long time on the efficiency
Yes, the Model 3 is pretty much the most efficient vehicle you can buy (next to a Lucid)
I initially held the view that range was irrelevant if it’s a massive battery
The efficiency is actually WHY it’s so inexpensive (less money spent on batteries, which comprise a huge portion of their cost) and WHY it drives me absolutely bonkers that the only EVs anyone wants to make anymore are fucking Tonka trucks.
They’re also ahead of just about everyone in terms of their charging network.
There’s a lot of hyperbole out there about quality and repair costs. I know people want to devalue the brand any way they can, I don’t fault that. But, my first-release Model 3 was a really great car. I’m really going to miss it.
As I was walking away after selling it, I couldn’t help but say “it’s not your fault, buddy. You didn’t deserve this and I will always have a place in my heart for you. You were merely a victim of evil beyond our control. Good night, sweet prince.”
Teslas are still wickedly expensive to repair and there’s only the dealership who can do those repairs.
Where are you getting that from? There are plenty of 3rd party shops that can and do service Teslas. They even made their repair manuals public and sell the OEM components online.
The cost of that can apparently be over $1k. For a door handle.
That’s a door handle on a $100k+ car.
Until Tesla allows other shops to do repairs, those swastikars will never be economical even if you ignore the Nazi part
Everything on them can be fixed by a regular mechanic, and Tesla isn’t stopping it (at least not in Europe). People are getting 3rd party special shops to fix HV batteries and motors on old model S without any issues. Brakes, suspension, steering, LV electrical (windows, lights, handles etc.), AC can be fixed by anyone without issues. And aside from body parts and a few specialty components (their “octovalve” comes to mind), it’s mostly standard auto components that can be bought from 3rd party manufacturers without giving Tesla any money.
Edit: a model 3/Y door handle is around $100, of course still expensive but also far below your $1000 example, and on par with an original handle for my old ass Peugeot 308.
No money goes to Elon in that exchange, so you’re not supporting the fascist prick.
One could say the same about not selling your Tesla in the first place.
No money goes to Elon directly, but it still increases the market price of Teslas. So someone else deciding between used and new might just buy new because it doesn’t cost much extra.
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For its part, Tesla has been trying to boost its image with the help of President Trump.
Yeah, that’s part of the problem, Elon.
Elon out here thinking Twitter bots are real people. Too much ketamine.
